"conceding its too difficult to discuss with a few hairy bears?"
Most of the bears here don't want to hear anything other than all property is currently a bad investment and aren't even remotely interested in how you can successfully make money out of it even in today's climate. They seem to think all property is the same and that it all miraculously goes up and down at the same time. The reality is different areas perform at different times and not all property is un-affordable.
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