"Anyway, thanks for your reply, I'm off the PC now and tomorrow I'm going bush, so pardon me if I don't reply to further questions. "
Have a good trip.
"Don't agree here, as then there is no point for Jesus, why would Jesus need to come at all then, or even to die on the cross, obviously he has limits,"
"Yes, I do believe that Jesus is "All" as in one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, "
Yes, that is the question and perhaps why you can't agree that God has no artificial limits.
However, if Jesus is God then it doesn't make any sense that he would need to come, die on the cross and clearly have limits.
On the other hand, if Jesus is not God but a great "Messenger" of God, then that becomes exactly why he was sent. To show the way ... back to God. He didn't come to die for anyone else's sin ... that is daft and an excuse for self indulgence or self pity. He came to show how each must find how to deal with their own situation with the help offered.
So, perhaps the crucifixion was an unfortunate consequence of events that escalated too quickly to be avoided. The "resurrection" was a temporary appearance of Jesus in his higher spiritual body to some of his closest disciples.
Much of the rest of the story is written to account for the impossible situation that the Messiah, the son of God, could be killed in such a terrible but ordinary way .. like a common thief, almost before he had begun his mission.
I'm not saying any of that is necessarily the case, but doesn't it make more sense than the conventional Christian story.
The oft used view that God incarnated as a human in order to suffer and be sacrificed for sins etc as a human also doesn't make sense.
Why would a limitless, omnipotent, omniscient Creator God need to incarnate as a human ? After all, God knows all, can see all, do all.
If you then say that God does not possess those limitless attributes and is not All, then what about those parts that aren't part of God ? Where did they come from ? What gives them existence and life ?
This is the difficulty when the Creator of the Universe is given anthropomorphic properties and motives. It is a God made in Man's image with artificial limits.
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