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17/05/24

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Originally posted by wotsup ↑

@ppm56

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You are not properly formed to make any such decisions,
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The Bible informs us and so far none of you have produced enough Bible evidence to support what you's claim.

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there is a lot we don’t know,
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But that hasn't stopped you from ADDING your own conclusions, without Bible support.
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You did not address any of the valid points that I made, I'm not insisting on them, but do feel that they are valid points and another way to view the matter and pretty much supported by the Bible.

"You made no valid points as per above, all you did was to give out half-cocked understanding, it will take much to make you see otherwise as you have to understand the basics first and you are unwilling to do that as its only your way or hit the road Jack"

Proof is in the pudding, which you didn't address, like using the Bible to counter the points made.
"The Basics" = are as LRAGE as life in Gens, man received the breath of life, which demand that that involves oxygen, resulting in man being now defined as as living soul and NOT man receiving a soul or spirit or one or the other, on top of becoming a living soul.

They are the very basics, that you all seem to be abandoning, with Zero room in that passage, to even imply such.

The difference between man and animal can be easily explained by the fact, as to how God made each's brain.
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Most of what you put forward, is assumptions, pure guess work and NOT reality at all, but the mind coming from men, so to speak down the ages, which doesn't make it right.

"Not as much are your imaginations, where do you think your mind got these imagery from, all formed from the ages"

My imaginations as per the Gens verse, are exactly that, and you produced way, way more from that verse, that simply does NOT exist in it and neither can it be implied.
So yes, the Bible from where my imaginations as you call them came, were from long ago and not the likes of your forefathers.
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Then why aren’t animals also saved if it only comes down to the brain and its capacity, as animals have a brain too, so do creatures of the sea
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First up, which I won't go into lengths here, is would appear that God's first and foremost plan was for Man.
Does the Bible say that animals or none, won't be saved, or is that just what you think, as in another of your additions???
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"Yes, humans come in one package all rolled into one, Body, Soul and Spirit, there is no problems there, the brain is part of the package of the body just like any other part of the body in this side of creation
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According to Gens, the soul itself is the whole human package, that got no more than the breath of life = then becoming a Living soul and not received a soul and neither a spirit, other than the breath of life, in Gen 2:7.

The brain is part of the soul, the living soul (package) when alive.
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The spirit or soul is what makes the human being created in the image and likeness of God,"

We are a living soul according the Gens.
The image here as it seems to get expanded on, could simply be in God's likeness, as in ways, which come from the living soul, the you if one accepts God etc.
Like, getting back to the likes of -> Let thy Kingdom come on earth as in heaven.
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The heart, for example, encompasses both the rational and emotional aspects of the person.
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You seemed to have missed the point that I was making with 4 interchangeable terms, heart, mind, spirit, soul.
The heart encompasses no such thing as you suggest, it just pumps blood lol, it is more like terminology (if that's the right word), and these other 3 are used in the same terms, in many places.
When you die in the hear and now, your heart doesn't buzz off to heaven
Are you now getting the drift, on these 4 terms or how they are often referenced in the Bible?
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No one said that animals are not capable of loving,
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Cough cough, You certainly did say such and even quoted it, do you look before you leap LOL, as Jesus would have said, have YOU NOT read ->
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And most important of all, only God’s precious human beings are capable of loving"

So please do tell all on hear, how I've taken a snippet and twisted it?

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Are animals capable of loving God, do animals have the capacity for a personal relationship with the divine, as they also have a brain, that’s the difference
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Are you forgetting that we're talking about God here, what makes you think that he cannot communicate with his creatures, know their communication methods etc?

But that aside as I said, it could simply be explained away by the brain capacity God gave us compared to animals, and not because we have the likes of a soul or spirit.
Based on the Gens account, animals would be living souls as well.

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