You seem to be a very troubled person Angus, you been fed a lot...

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    You seem to be a very troubled person Angus, you been fed a lot

    You have not said anything that the CC haven't heard before, trust me there is much more that is said which much is just hot air

    Most likely what you are oblivious too is that during the reformation the reformers had the printing press, reformers were printing propaganda left right and center, and much more was printed during the last 500 years, especially in America, anti-catholicism was very much alive warping history, and Church teaching among the illiterate, much have stuck and is believed to be true, when actually it just plain propaganda

    I've seen it well to often

    No serious educated person will believe much of what you outlined on here

    Just look of how you hammered it in as being it and truth

    If you watch debates none will go into these points that you mentioned as they would lose, educated people know better where it's coming from

    You will find that the infant church grew to become the CC
    Until Constantine Christians were prosecuted, killed, government couldn't function as politicians were also Christians

    Anyway we have records and accounts of what was going on in those times

    You know anyone even preachers can say what they like, you need to supply historical documentation to support what one claims

    There is also the catacombs to verify early CC believe

    There are many educated converts to the CC who believed exactly as you posted and were very passionate to teach others, especially to catholics, digging deep they found out it was mainly propaganda, now most spend time debunking such notions

    We catholics are fully aware of these, I've been aware of it since mid 70's and to be honest they mean nothing to me as I know better, I just ignore them and feel sorry for the person as no matter what they are told or shown they will still hold to this indoctrination

    When you study how the CC defended itself when people came with different teaching, you will know it's not pagan origin
    Just study the heresy of the time

    What you will find is that the prosecuted church gain recognition with Constantine which gave it a chance to solidify its faith and grow

    And just for your info only, the CC becoming what it is, was due to Pope Leo 1, as Constantine moved out of Rome to Constantinople, leaving it defenceless, When Atila the Hun invaded Rome, it was saved by Leo from then onwards the people looked up to the Papacy, it wasn't given it by Constantine

    And the Bible was compiled by Gerome to form the Vulgate, under the pope
    from lists of Church Fathers before him

    Later rectified at church councils as being inspired by God and worthy of believe as its faith based on it with the understand of Traditions of the faith as handed down by the apostles as also being the criteria which the books in the NT were chosen from all the other writing of the time
 
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