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Originally posted by ppm56: ↑

I think this takes work. We need to work on our humility, our meekness, our steadfastness and detachment from world things (that is why we close our physical eyes after all). There are many veils (materialism, prejudice, self-centredness and ego etc etc) which make our spirit unworthy.

Hi Kam, much of what you said in this post is quite true and is catholic church teaching, been there for 2000 years

There is no point in bickering on certain truth that we cannot possible know and is fully out of our control which will happen regardless if we know it or not

Its best if we can concentrate onto which is within our control

I was going to give more on your post, but I decided not too as I see bickering on theology is not of God and I really don't want to get into tit for tat posting, so at times I see fit as not to reply and just drop everything

Instead I'm going to give you some more CC teaching for your own reflection on your above quote

Nature’s Seduction

Human Nature is crafty, and seduces many, snaring and deceiving them, and always works for her own ends. But Grace moves in simplicity, avoiding every appearance of evil. She makes no attempt to deceive, and does all things purely for love of God, in whom she rests as her final goal.”

Self-Mortification and Obedience

Human Nature is unwilling to be mortified, checked or overcome, obedient or willingly subject. Grace mortifies herself, resists sensuality, submits to control, seeks to be overcome. She does not aim at enjoying her own liberty, but loves to be under discipline; and does not wish to lord it over anyone. Rather does she desire to live, abide and exist always under God’s rule, and for His sake she is ever ready to submit it to all men. (I Pt.2:13)

Humility and Suffering

Human Nature works for her own interest, and estimates what profit she may derive from others. Grace does not consider what may be useful or convenient to herself, but only what may be to the good of many.(I Cor.10:33) Nature is eager to receive honor and reward : Grace faithfully ascribes all honor and glory to God .(Ps 26:2:96:7) Nature fears shame and contempt: Grace is glad to suffer reproach for the Name of Jesus.(Act 5:41) nature loves ease and rest for the body ; Grace cannot be idle, but welcomes work cheerfully.

Loving Simplicity and Eternity

Human Nature loves to enjoy rare and beautiful things, and hates the cheap and clumsy. Grace takes pleasure in simple and humble things, neither despising the rough, nor refusing to wear the old and ragged. Nature pays regard to temporal affairs, takes pleasure in this world’s wealth, grieves at any loss, and is angered by a slighting remark. But Grace pays attention to things eternal, and is not attached to the temporal. The loss of goods fails to move her, or hard words to anger her, for she lays up her treasure and joy in Heaven where none of it can be lost (Matt.6:20).

Rejecting Vanity and Greediness

Human Nature is greedy, and grasps more readily than she gives, loving to retain things for her personal use. But Grace is kind and generous, shuns private interest, is contented with little, and esteems it more blessed to give than to receive.(Acts 20:35) Nature inclines a man towards creatures – to the body, to vanities, to restlessness. But Grace draws a man towards God and virtue. Renouncing creatures, she flees the world, loathes the lusts of the flesh, limits her wanderings, and shuns public appearances. Nature is eager to enjoy any outward comfort that will gratify the senses. Grace seeks comfort in God alone, and delights in the Sovereign Good above all visible things.

Rejecting the Love of Money

Human Nature does everything for her own gain and interest; she does nothing without fee, hoping either to obtain some equal or greater return for her services, or else praise and favor. But Grace seeks no worldly return, and asks for no reward, but God alone. She desires no more of the necessaries of life than will serve her to obtain the things of eternity.

Rejecting Fame and Power

Human Nature takes pleasure in a host of friends and relations; she boasts of noble rank and high birth; makes herself agreeable to the powerful, flatters the rich, and acclaims those who are like herself. But Grace loves even her enemies,(Matt.5:44; Luke 6:27) takes no pride in the number of her friends, and thinks little of high birth unless it be allied to the greater virtue. She favors the poor rather than the rich, and has more in common with the honorable than with the powerful. She takes pleasure in an honest man, not in a deceiver; she constantly encourages good men to labor earnestly for the better gifts, (I.Cor.12:31) and by means of these virtues to become like the Son of God.

Overcoming Impatience, Egotism, and Gossip

Human Nature is quick to complain of want and hardship ; but Grace bears poverty with courage. nature, struggling and striving on her own behalf, turns everything to her own interest: but Grace refers all things to God, from whom they come. She attributes no good to herself; she is not arrogant and presumptuous. She does not argue and exalt her own opinions before others, but submits all her powers of mind and perception to the eternal wisdom and judgment of God. Nature is curious to know secrets and to hear news; she loves to be seen in public, and to enjoy sensations. She desires recognition, and to do such things as win praise and admiration. But Grace does not care for news or novelties, because all these things spring from the age-old corruption of man, for there is nothing new or lasting in this world.

https://catholicstand.com/nature-versus-grace-the-imitation-of-christ/

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Thanks ppm

Lovely post and yes bickering and arguing is not helpful.

What you've posted strengthens my belief found in the Bahai Revelation that the essential, spiritual teachings of all the major global religions is one, and this oneness of religion extends into the future too and we are given a lot of guidance on how to recognise Gods chosen Messengers in the future.

Another thing I find very unique in the Bahai Faith.

Hope you have a great day.

Kam
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