If you owned a Ferrari and a Datsun 180B and were in a car race, which car would you choose to drive? That's the difference, one site is a Datsun 180 and the other a Ferrari, that's why Fairfax is always second best, as rural live in the past and drive a Datsun. Ask John B about his $800 million loss and see if he thinks the company is heading in the right direction?