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10/03/23
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Originally posted by moorookamick:
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The golbal question which is being asked now, and particularly by the 3rd World is: Has the US ideology reached its shelf life and is China's the alternative? China has taken 60% of its population out of abject poverty in a generation using the mix of State Capitalism & Private enterprise.....no freedom/liberties here; just do it or else. Forget the politics of it........its where the rubber meets the ground economically that matters, IMO. for the poor masses. IMO, Russia's alliance with China (Russia is reverting to State Capitalism following the firesale of its State Assets in the early 1990s) and as such it has now more in common with China than differences.) has a symbiosis ........... its called a defence against America........China has the lollies and Russia has the Nukes. America realises this hence this Proxy (US vs Russia) war. its fine to spruik Western middle class values such as freedom (its actually Liberty) representative democracy and "free markets" but in BRICS and the 3rd World these are not real pressing issues.....just hand to mouth existence. Of course when purists look at the USA, they find difficulty in seeing free markets, real democracy or freedom simply because the US Military/Industrial complex does not like any of the above. The Military is an authoritarian bureaucratic structure (nothing democratic about it) as is also corporations! Since Reganomics,(Mid 1980s) the US has produced a homeless/poor class which in practice contradicts its ideology and one does not have to be a forensic social scientist to notice that. Just have a look at poverty in Oakland (a spit away from Silicon Valley) or North Detroit or parts of Chicago to realise that for millions, the touted "American Dream" is really an "American Nightmare"........the squaller/drug addiction is absolutely appalling. If you believe that Society/social conditioning primarly makes the person, then you have to admit that there is something fundamentally wrong with American society. Its sheer scale of homelessness, drug addiction, poverty (44 Million on food stamps) domestic violence/ gun violence is evidence of that. But if we latch-on to the USA because it has the most powerful Armed Forces in the world, then that says alot about Aus and our values and insecurities, IMO. Dont Kid yourself, this is a proxy US/Russia war with Uncle Sam having China in its long term hairlines. IMO, this Ukraine -Russia war wont lapse into a Nuke War for the same reason that there was not a Nuke War with the USSR pre 1991 and again, IMO, there wont be a US/China Nuke War for similar reasons ...................because of "MAD"
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Mick China's east Asian neighbours - Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore - did a far better job at lifting their citizens out of poverty, and they did it without resorting to the authoritarian measures Beijing has resorted to. The only people looking to Beijing as a model are tin pot dictatorships who want to retain a one party system, and people in the west, generally far left or far right, who have a visceral self-loathing of their own societies. And even they are dreaming, as China is not the workers paradise some on the far left imagine, nor the bastion of traditional values that some on the far right imagine.