Russia Ukraine war, page-123931

we can keep calling out, targeting and dehumanising Russia, forever.. I guess that would make some here happy and give them something to do

but

we should look at ourselves and whatever happened in Feb 2022 was a failure of NATO and the West, to protect Ukraine. in fact, Ukraine was so intoxicated with talk of freedom, democracy and values, that they forgot that the moment that they had been preparing for, with NATO, with the West, for 25 years.. had come

Biden knew it.. Ukraine ignored it

Russia came good on their promise.. not to let NATO or the West occupy its border.. nothing more nothing less

It is a tragedy but to resolve it, honesty and a fair bit of hubris, will have to come, from all parties involved..