the claim of 3 planes shootdown is dubious, and the Mariupol...

the claim of 3 planes shootdown is dubious, and the Mariupol shootdown is a joke (too far) "

I understand the Mariupol loss is correct but don't have details so won't push it ...but the other three are confirmed .....Ukraine never that I am aware of have EVER claimed to have shot down a plane and the claim proved false

I understand one crew survived , the other two not and the flights in the area have stopped .

Am always surprised when clear facts are denied yet myths embraced so easily