Russia Ukraine war, page-209883

Obviously Andy starts his posts at about 1 AM EST which is likely
8 AM West Coast USA/West Coast Canada. & IMO Tangs is local.

That said, there is always a question of bias in the posts re this Ukrainian War
of which Andy & tangs are ideologically driven, IMO, and are consequently
fierce (sometimes over aggressive & personally insulting ) proponents of the Ukraine.

Some others on this threads attempt to balance this bias by posting alternative info,
some of which although possibly true, is interpreted by both these Ukrainian advocates
above is "pro-Putin"

This, IMO is the RW populist "binary trap" ie: you are with us or against us.

I guess in this war like others , propaganda prevails , and IMO the only neutral
position possible (short of inside in factual info) is to lay both sides propaganda/
purported motives on the table and then use common sense to evaluate not only
the status quo but the motivations of the opposing sides # leading into the war.

Facts are more important leading into this war and the status quo than are
propaganda masquerading as (tang's) truth.

As in the Vietnam War and to a lesser extent the M/E Wars. historians cut through the
propaganda and fake news and arrive at what history records as most probable but
never definitive.

So in summary , this war is no different to others in that " the first casualty of war is the truth"
and to that extent as consumers of MSM/SM we are simply like fish in bowls with
very limited perspectives so the better alternative is to be sceptical at least for the time being...eh?