Russia Ukraine war

Originally posted by tangs: ↑

IMO this is a US/Russia proxy war with the Ukrainians as cannon fodder.

you put the onus on the country that helps defend ......and none on the coun try that attacks - tht is why you are NOT neutral
counter intuitive and also illogical
if you or russia consider this a proxy war at all .......then why was putin that stupid to actually start it ????

and how is the US supporting Ukraine ....which they aren't presently anyway......any more proxy than Iran and Norht Korea ?

that's what makes me think you hate the US
russia are just as big a warmongering nation as the US weight for weight ,
and do it for worse motives most of the time ....like for instance stealing another countries land .

that latter IS what this war is about .....that and putins ego trying to make a point about russian strength ....that backfired badly .

bottom line ....there has never been the lightest justification for rusisa to be in Ukraine and your attempts to justify that and object to anyone supporting a country VERY unfairly attacked is both dishonest and something I can never respect ....... you own a part of what russia does by defending /excsuing

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I probably understand the US better than you , mate, having
had 2 working stints there . IMO its a mixed bag with some
great aspects and others far from being good.

IMO your binary position..good/bad..right/wrong ...love/hate
is not alone childish , but it gives you a blinkered perspective
on the world and specifically on this Ukrainian War.

This binary perspective is fundamentally no different to the
religious devides between Muslims & Jews. Catholics & Protestants etc
where the bigots on either side of the divide tag those who are neutral
as being pro the other side ......no shades of grey...."either you are
with us or 'agin" us" as GW Bush said in the early aftermath of 9/11.

My view on this war is that it could have been avoided as it had been
up to and including 2013 and judging by the outcome since then, the
Ukraine and its people had been much better off pre-2013 than they are
now or likely will be into the foreseeable future and their sacrifice expected
from them since 2014 by the West and specifically the USA has been
simply too much . And by the look of things, that's going to be much worse
before its much better.

IMO, like the Vietnam, Iraq & Afghan wars, this war is not winnable by the US
short of a MAD WW3 and, to a reasonable person, such a risk is absurd.

So, IMO , the solution will likely be:
-ceasefire
-negotiated settlement

And the sooner the better for the people of the Ukraine.

I'm aware that some who inadvertently subscribe to the "Death Cult"
will advocate an escalation of this war up to and including the use of nuclear weapons
but fortunately for humanity, those are a rabble few.