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Originally posted by tangs: ↑

If its a negotiated peace then everyone saw the deal as the best option and both sides saw the terms as acceptable."

a myth .....Ukraine did not .........there were unacceptable conditions attached ---- leaving Ukraine defenceless and open to further attack at any time from russia and with no recourse possible from Ukraine - the demilitarisation and the agreement not to ever seek aid or alliance from the west .
these conditions made agreement impossible and only a fool could put themselves in a position of trusting putin

any deal MUST have - not a promise - but enforcable guarantees of no further russian aggression ......until putin can accept Ukraines absolute right to have their own military to protect themselves and that their elected government must remain there is no basis for negotiation .
I'm sure staying out of NATO could be on the table but still would need some form of western force applied to make sure russia never attacks again - don't ever try and pretend here that putins word is enough !!!!
Ukraine will not leave themselves prone and vulnerable .

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The deal people sign up to just needs to be better than no-deal.

As to security guarantees both sides will want any deal done to stick and be honoured - there is an element of trust but also verify and have a plan B just in case.
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