Have you been discussing these “options” for Ukraine in another...

Have you been discussing these “options” for Ukraine in another forum? All we see from you here is your demands for years that Ukraine surrender, sorry “negotiate”.

On top of that, you have admitted under no circumstances do you want Ukraine to be able to surrender on terms, sorry “negotiate” terms acceptable to them.

So call me sceptical about claims you have “maintained” for years.

Now to your logic. Let me paraphrase you here:

Ukraine, defending itself against Putin’s war along with Ukraine’s supporters supporting Ukraine’s response to Putin’s war are the “pro war” people however Putin, who launched an unjust and unprovoked war on Ukraine and who continues his war on Ukraine along with Putin’s supporters who are absolutely against Putin ending his war are NOT the “pro war” people?

I get that correct?

Makes perfect logical sense.

Ukraine remaining a free and democratic country firmly in control of 18% of their country (and a growing chunk of Russia’s) whilst inflicting astronomical losses on the Russians and preventing Putin from accomplishing a single objective has been according to you *checks notes* “a disaster”?

You always have a weird take on things.