Russia Ukraine war

Originally posted by moorookamick: ↑

tangs, I know its difficult for you to differentiate
between what is real (Real Politic) and what is
morally right. (Ideology).

That is evident from your binary position on this Ukrainian war.

Just imagine Gallieo's predicament when he
was convinced that the Sun was at the centre
of our solar system (Eccentric) vs the Roman
Church, the then regional Hedgemon, who thought that the Earth was at the centre.
He was lambasted for being a "realist"

And so it is with this war.

While there is an Ideological argument as to why
Russia did wrong in invading the Ukraine, there
is also a counter argument that NATO's expansion further
around the Black Sea threatened Russia's access to the
Crimea (one of its important Russian ports) and as such
critically threatened Russia's national security just as a Chinese armed
military/naval base in Southern PNG would be a serious
threat to our national security . #

But of course Ideologues only see such aspects of Geopolitics
from an arbitrary moral point of view (in this case the absolute
right of a country to decide for itself) rather than from a power
point of view ie: that which is possible and not possible.

We have a rule of law within countries whith the domestic
means of enforcing it but that stops at the State because there
is no higher authority than the State (that is unless you believe
in God and all that jazz)

In the older days in Europe there was a to bridge that phantom gap
by declaring the Devine Right of Kings.

I realise that we have a UN and an ICC etc but these are
voluntary organisations (IE ;The USA and others do not recognise the
ICC) and of course the UN is a toothless tiger unable to act unless
supported by a member(s) country volunteering armed forces.

So to harp on about the "moral right" of a country, while
comforting to some, does not adequately explain Geopolitics.

Just ask the people of say Ireland who have been under
British rule from 1169 until 1921 and of which 6 Counties
are still under British rule was it a moral imperative or
a military one that gained them the 26 Counties and the
Good Friday Agreement (the pathway to reclaiming the remaining six)

# IMO if PNG agreed to a Chinese Port/Military Base in southern PNG
we would either:
-Engineer a coup to replace that government & replace it with an Aus
. friendly regime
and if that were not possible by peaceful means we'd do a
East Timor ..that is we'd send in the troops and rubbish
PNG's right to democratically decide for itself.

So in summary we have this Ukrainian war because
of 2 conflicting principles:
(a) a country's perceived right to decide for itself
(b) that (a) threatens the perceived National Security of a more powerful neighbour

By not recognising both (a) & (b) , IMO that's bigotry
which leads to conflict and war.

War is the problem...not the solution and IMO
sooner or later a peaceful solution will be found
based on Political Realism...not Ideology .

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don't try and patronise me and after all the falsehoods you've attempted to perpetrate .....never got past your first line .....

the faux intelectual , faux neutral russian apologist .....no-one with a brain tolerates your sheer nonsense