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09/09/24
21:18
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Originally posted by tangs:
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SO HOW should it end .......YOU SAY A VICTORY FOR PUTIN WITH RUSSIA TAKING UKRAINES LAND because you hate the west and support BRICS ....(but you hypocriticaly and traitorously live here enjoying the western priveleges rusisans do not ) Would you be happy to see russia return to her own country and leave Ukraine to run her own ??? You and putin can make demands of no NATO troops in Ukraine ....no NATO nukes ......but NOW , after putins aggression the requrement of Ukraine not joining NATO is a non starter ......or putins riodiculous idea oif Ukrainian demilitarisation leaving Ukraine defenceless and under russias power are you capable of dealing with these realities ? Olceg always avoids the issue of post peace Ukrainian securioty being ensured when i raise it .because what is non negotiable for Ukraine is the ASSURANCE of sovereignty , freedom and liberty and that assurance has nothing to do with a liars signature on a piece of paper but instead backed by some force instead . if the absolute assurance .....not a promise .....isn't there .....better to fight on than sign a bad deal .....as was the case early on ......the onerous conditions russia tried to apply leaving Ukraine defenceless putin has to want peace enough .....not a win under his terms ...he has to be ready to negotiate .....he isn't ....only demand !
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I said no such thing ...that's your speculation as usual. I said: -Ceasefire -negotiations to achieve an enduring peace If the Ukraine decides that forfeiting territory to achieve an enduring peace then that's the Ukraine's call...not yours.....not NATO's....not America's and certainly not mine. There has been talk of nukes being used ...see Andy's post above... which makes a prompt ceasefire/peace negations more imperative.. that is if you value your life,,,eh mate?