The bottom line is that the Ukraine was better off before2014...

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    The bottom line is that the Ukraine was better off before
    2014 than since and part of that was due to Yanukovich
    because after he departed , the Ukraine lost Crimea
    immediately and the start of the Civil War in Donbas
    and then the Feb 2022 invasion which has led to
    the total loss of 18% of its land,100s of thousands killed or maimed
    and 7 million of ots citizens (mostly women & children) leaving
    the country with scant chance of them ever returning.

    That said, I'm keenly aware that you deem the sacrifice made
    by the Ukraine on moral/ideological grounds but to a reasonable
    observer, that has simply been too much of a sacrifice.

    If you dont believe that then compare/contrast the Ukraine
    to Belarus next door in 2013 and both now.

    If you maintain that the Ukraine is better off now than the Ukraine,
    then you have scant regard for human life/humanity, IMO.

    Will you agree that if there is a peace settlement in the next
    12 months that the Ukraine will have to concede significant
    territory to Russia and.if so, then the Ukraine will be much worse off
    than it was in 2013.?
 
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