Given the high price both sides have suffered, they mayvery well...

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Originally posted by tangs: ↑

the sensible strategy would be a ceasefire/negotiations

that involves effectively handing Ukraines sovereignty to russia and making them a russian colony
at this stage , despite the heay cost , neither the Ukranian government nor their people show an inclination to that at present

it's not just a matter of giving up Donbas and Crimea ....as well as Kharkiv and Kherson which no-one has ever tried to justify
it's also the other emands by putin ......the same demands that killed the chance of agreement back in March 2022 ......
1. that Ukraine demilitarises
2. that Ukraine agrees not to seek help from the west
3. Zelenskys government be removed

For Ukraine to demilitarise would leave them helpless against further russian aggresssion .....which I consider under that circumstance to be inevitable .

Further .....putin has said many times there is no basis for peace talks .....he has issued dermands ...he isn't interested in talking
if putin changed his position .....may happen in the future ......then perhaps talks are possible ....not at present - he isn't offering one single thing to Ukraine except a stop top the fighting and what he asks for ammounts to unconditional surrender effectively

Seems now that rule changes will be made and what's left of Ukraine that russia haven't conquered will become a NATO member ....or if not .... a de facto member as it partly is now ......this gives Ukraine way more security than simply trusting russia and demilitarising and agreeing to" turn back east ".

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Given the high price both sides have suffered, they may
very well have changed their respective objectives
and the means of achieving them.

A ceasefire/negotiations is the only real way to qualify that, IMO.
As the song says: "We can't always get what we want"
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