yes mate its all pretty disappointing. the nonsense that has been raised by the HC crowd has damaged any chance of a sensible respectful discussion.
I'm aware that there is a concerted Lib party presence on HC so I see this as driven largely by certain, shall we say "elements"? for politeness sake? hehhahe..... an awful lot of Duttonesque language being used too. too SAD
see my post with Joh above.
