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14/02/19

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Originally posted by wotsup ↑

Originally posted by tonio
"Jesus is neither The Word or The Word of God, has the name only
It is a name to represent the role God had planed for him,"

Wotsup you are still denying Jesus
Where does it end
Jesus is our redeemer and saviour. Is that in name only?
What about Jesus as the only begotten God, name only?
Jesus is the way the truth and the life, another name?

Wotsup Abram's name was changed to Abraham

Gen17
5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Was this a role or name only or did Abraham actually father many nations?

What about Sarah. Was she actually mother of nations and kings or was it just in name and a role she was playing?

Gen 17
15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. 16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her

John 1
14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us, and we
beheld his :glory, glory as of an only begotten with a father, full of
grace and truth

Wotsup the one who became flesh is Jesus, he dwelt among the Apostles.
They beheld the glory of the only begotten

Heb 13
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today, and unto
the ages.

Wotsup,
Jesus is the only begotten God,
the same yesterday, today and for eternity
Tonio, your speaking NOT of the word of God again.

Did you pay attention to the fact of why his name was changed = the name now MEANS, Father of many, but not the literal, physical Father of them.

Just as Jesus is not the literal, physical word, that came.
The word DID NOT become flesh it "BECAME" and it came WITH, IN the Temple not Built with Hands.
Num 23:19 - God is not a man, that he should lie;neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Isa 7:14 - Therefore the LORD--> (Almighty God and Father) himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Immanuel means God with us, Take note = it does Not same that Immanuel will Be his name and neither does it say, Mary will name him that = It is simply referring to a message, when this future one comes, God will be with him and Jesus himself confirms this.

Greek truth 1:14 - And the Word flesh --> (Good News) BECAME and Tabernacled among (IN) us and we beheld the Glory....................(This Glory as well as Jesus, IS also The Word of God as the Almighty God and Father is Glory).

Ex 40:34 - Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. (Glory is The Word of God here, not Jesus).
Jesus was, became the Temple not built with hands and God dwelt IN Him who is Spirit/Word -->The Word, hence Immanuel, God also with us in His Son and confirmed by none other than Jesus himself.
Luke 4:18 - The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the Good News to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
John 3:34 - [BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]For he whom God hath sent [/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px]speaketh the words [/SIZE][/B][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=5][B]of[/B][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px][B][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] God:[/SIZE][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] for God giveth[/SIZE][B] not the Spirit by measure [/B][/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px]unto him[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px]John 14:10 - [/SIZE][SIZE=5][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=5]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the[/SIZE][B][SIZE=5] Father in me? [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=5][SIZE=5][SIZE=5][SIZE=5]the [/SIZE][/SIZE][COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=5][B]words that I speak[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][SIZE=5][SIZE=5] unto you I speak [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=5][B]not of myself[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][SIZE=5][SIZE=5]: but the [/SIZE][/SIZE][B][SIZE=5]Father that dwelleth in me,[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=5][SIZE=5] he doeth the works.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=5]John 12:49 - [/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px]For I have [/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][BCOLOR=transparent][B]not spoken of myself;[/B][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px] but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR]

These words are Spirit, words of eternal life and you are born again via them --> John 6:63, 68, John 3:5 and 1 Peter 1:23 and by Jesus being given them, complete, ONLY at Baptism he got = John 5:26 - For as the Father has life in Himself (John 1:4) so has he GIVEN to the Son to have life in himself.
John 4:14 - But whosoever drinketh of the water[I] (The Word --> The Word of God) [/I] that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of [SIZE=16px]water[I] (The Word)[/I][/SIZE][SIZE=16px] springing up into [/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px]everlasting life.
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[SIZE=16px]John 1:14 has absolutely [/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px]ZERO [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px]to do with Jesus being born at Mary and the 2nd Adam, man, flesh.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px]If you pay attention to the word Tabernacl[/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px]ed, [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px]the "ed" means past tense, his word is done and dusted in this verse.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px]John 19:30 - [FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, [/SIZE][B]It is finished:[/B][SIZE=16px] and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
John 17:4 - I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gave*************************************st me to do.

So the key thing he had finished, was to bring The Word = Almighty God and Father into the wold like never before = The Words of eternal life, which naturally includes all there is and was, about Jesus and this plan was within God before the world was, known as Glory and Held via God alone John 17:5, the Greek shows this truth. Jesus in this verse, now asks for God's literal presence, (first time) Glory which God is and the Glory held via God (the plan) before the world EXISTED with God (not Jesus).
-------------

Jesus is our redeemer and saviour. Is that in name only?
As Rev 19:12 says, no man knows his name, means YOU do not know what is is saying.
If YOU come in Jesus's name YOU are coming in the entire --> The Word of God.
Jesus quotes words to the effect, if you had know my Father you would have know me and he pretty much uses this, visa versa.
If you don't know one, you do not know the other and that you are showing.
Jesus was the carrier of the words of God, you cannot be the item, thing you carry.
Jesus is the expressed image, only after Baptism timing where he received Spirit/Word without measure = Jesus speaks, expresses out the Almighty God and Father, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father (Heard).

Speaking of name, Look up the meaning of Jesus's name, and that will tell you he was given the name, it represents the role God planed for him, like the name, The Word of God.
--------------------------------

Jesus is the only begotten God,
I have never said, he was not exalted to a Begotten God, this John 1:18 is after going to the Father, being exalted.
YOU need to look at the Bible, Jesus in the likes of 2 Sam 7:12-14, future, "will be" a son, to God and God "will be" a Father to him.
Mary told the same, then Psa 2:7 This day I have BEGOTTEN thee, then God says, this in may son, we then see ONLY Begotten son and then begotten God.
Progression of stages as he told Moses, Deu 18:18 I will raise them..........************************************..................
Begotten is CLEARY defined in Heb, Jesus died, so God had to beget, begotten him
AGAIN.
---------------

Wotsup you are still denying Jesus
I'm doing nothing of a sort, it is you that's creating another God and another Jesus.
In the process of doing so, you are DENYING huge significance's of what God did and Jesus
You need to understand some areas, 1st and 2nd Adam
Think for two seconds, Jesus's words --> That which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of Spirit is Spirit.
Ask yourself a simple question here, Jesus was flesh and yet according to the above, there is a problem with the words coming from Jesus's flesh.
Why does Jesus say it's OK to accept and abide in his words, flesh?
You see child, it all ties in with what is really being said in John 1:14.
It also ties in with - in the twinkling of an eye, you put on incorruptible.

All these areas are all interwoven,------------------ when You get a handle on them, you might wake up to the truth of John's opener, verses 1:1-18.

So come on Tonio, you address these verses above with the Bible and not your mouth, counter each one and show us all on here, how YOU CANNOT discredit the above WITH the Bible = Not possible.
Do your own homework on the meaning of Flesh in Hebrew, dual meanings, and LOOK at Mal 3:1 and pay attention as to exactly who John at first, would be preparing the way for = God for the first 13 verses of John, to sweep the crap off the path, put people in the picture, what and who there was already and how that was going to change somewhat, Just as John Himself says in John.

Jesus the same, your telling me, literally beginning as man, rose as man and will return as man.
ALSO, this same is also referring to his message, it does NOT Change, I ascend to my Father and your Father and to My God and your God.
In you fantasy world, the God reference here is --> god the father, god the son and god the IDOL, the holy spirit.
Do you SEE your nonsense here, Jesus ascending to 2/3rds of a God, or partly to himself = satans talk in your world for sure.
Oh you will TRY and talk your way around this pickle, impossible, you CANNOT.

Originally posted by tonio
"Jesus is neither The Word or The Word of God, has the name only
It is a name to represent the role God had planed for him,"

Wotsup you are still denying Jesus
Where does it end
Jesus is our redeemer and saviour. Is that in name only?
What about Jesus as the only begotten God, name only?
Jesus is the way the truth and the life, another name?

Wotsup Abram's name was changed to Abraham

Gen17
5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Was this a role or name only or did Abraham actually father many nations?

What about Sarah. Was she actually mother of nations and kings or was it just in name and a role she was playing?

Gen 17
15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. 16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her

John 1
14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us, and we
beheld his :glory, glory as of an only begotten with a father, full of
grace and truth

Wotsup the one who became flesh is Jesus, he dwelt among the Apostles.
They beheld the glory of the only begotten

Heb 13
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today, and unto
the ages.

Wotsup,
Jesus is the only begotten God,
the same yesterday, today and for eternity

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"Did you pay attention to the fact of why his name was changed = the name now MEANS, Father of many, but not the literal, physical Father of them"

Your wrong Wotsup,
In biblical times you were the father of your decendants.
The pharisees' claimed Abraham as their father
Jesus was called the son of David, but he was also a son of Abraham
Matt 1
1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham

"Just as Jesus is not the literal, physical word, that came.
The word DID NOT become flesh it "BECAME" and it came WITH, IN the Temple not Built with Hands."

Wrong again Wotsup,
The Word became flesh , John 1:14 does not say ' come in the flesh' nor does it say "IN the Temple not Built with Hands."
But says "and dwelt among us"
Berean Literal Bible
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld His glory, a glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Luke 4:18 - The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the Good News...........

Wotsup, this verse says that Jesus received the Holy Spirit because he had been annointed
Jesus was the Word made flesh, born the Christ, which means annointed one. Jesus was born the saviour, Christ and Lord

Berean Literal Bible
Luke 2:11
For today in the City of David a Savior has been born to you, who is Christ the Lord.

Wotsup, it was Jesus who spoke to the prophets including Moses concerning himself in the future

1Pet 1
11inquiring into what or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ in them was signifying, testifying beforehand of the sufferings of Christ and the glories after these,

Also Wotsup the grace that God gives us was in Jesus from the beginning

King James Bible
2 Tim 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
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