seems that there to much negativeness, page-2

If by negativeness you mean an alternative point of view I would agree with you. As for myself I held shares and sold on the Ironclad ann. because in my mind it took away the cos. major asset and left a lot of unanswered questions. I keep it on watch with an eye to get back in AT THE LOWEST POSSIBLE PRICE. With such a long leed time to any income and a large capex(300-500mil) and from what everyone belives to be a major correction on the horizon I simply think these shares will be much cheaper in the future. Downramping is not necessary and I doubt anyone would pay much attention to what I say anyway.