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Originally posted by mouse ↑

Full cell cars also run a Li battery & a electric motor , so you're argument makes no sense regarding recycling , inputs ect.

Hydrogen is an energy storage mechanism. It is not a source of energy. So you have to get that hydrogen from somewhere. if you get that hydrogen from water, so you’re splitting H20, electrolysis is extremely inefficient as an energy process….

If you say took a solar panel and use the energy from that to just charge a battery pack directly, compared to try to split water, take the hydrogen, dump the oxygen, compress the hydrogen to an extremely high pressure (or liquefy it) and then put it in a car and run a fuel-cell, it is about half the efficiency, it’s terrible. Why would you do that? It makes no sense

Those two points are pretty big thing to miss for an engineer.

Lastly, consumer cost. Full cell cars makes no sense . The costs of full cell car at cheapest is $60,000 US vs electric $35,000 US , that's a drastic cost difference & consumers will be short changed on the car & insurance. Also over time maintenance costs will cost more then 10 x an EV , if the presser tank stuffs up or lines, you'll be up for minim $10k. Good luck to Governments trying to wash EV's away , nothing comes close to the price point.

The more solar panels around the more green EV's become , with hydro , you're stuck. So unless the Government is going to force auto makers to shut them down , EV's win hands down on all angles.

Here is post i did last year with more in-depth why fuel cell is no contender for EV's 17846123

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As I've mentioned once or twice on the HZR threads, hydrogen is likely to succeed as a fuel source as it keeps Big Oil and Big Gas in the game and they still have quite the political and financial clout. The vast majority of industrial hydrogen supply is from steam methane reformation (SMR) of natural gas. The drawback is the associated CO2 emissions.

Now consider HZR. Hydrogen still being generated using natural gas as a feedstock but with the easily achievable aim of graphite as a saleable by-product. As it stands, the reduction in CO2 emissions are around 60% when compared to SMR as some gas is burnt to power the reactor, however ultimately zero CO2 emissions should be theoretically possible.

Proof of concept at a continuous level and decent size is tantalisingly close with a pre pilot plant scale operation slated for completion in Q1, so just a few weeks away. Once and if this is achieved, price will not remain in the double digits IMO.

Just a shame that HZR couldn't capitalise on the current boom in medical marijuana by signing a MOU to supply clean power to a budding listed dope enterprise. With a name change to Purple Hazer as well, the SP would have been higher than Snoop Dogg at a Willie Nelson concert.