Spot the difference

Originally posted by MrGordon ↑

Jesus in John 6:44 & 65 among many verses says, no one can come to Jesus unless the Father calls them, God calls us;
How do you say the Father calls them/us?
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(John 6:44, 45) No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone who has listened to the Father and has learned comes to me.

Wotsup, Jesus was talking to Jews. He quoted from the prophet Isaiah.
(Isaiah 54:13) And all your sons will be taught by Jehovah, And the peace of your sons will be abundant.

If you read what had just occured you will see Jesus is explaining the reason they were not putting faith in him.
(John 6:41) Then the Jews began to murmur about him because he had said: “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”

He had fed thousands with just a few loaves and fish and collected more leftovers than he started with, (6:13) and still they lacked faith in him. They were unable/unwilling to grasp he was the promised Messiah.
Their problem lay in the belief that the Messiah was to be a political leader that would free the nation from the yoke of Rome.
(John 6:14, 15) When the people saw the sign he performed, they began to say: “This really is the Prophet who was to come into the world.” 15 Then Jesus, knowing that they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again to the mountain all alone.
Instead of listening to Jesus , they wanted Jesus to become the leader they expected. When he refused they rejected him. - John 6:66
I suggest you read the whole chapter. Peter was one of the few that were "taught by Jehovah" - Isaiah 54:13
(Matthew 16:16, 17) Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did.

Jesus will soon fulfill the role of a conquering king that the Jews anticipated.
(Daniel 7:13, 14) “I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.

I will address some of the other points raised when I have time, but please don't expect me to rehash your pet subject. It seems your mind is made up.

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Thanks for your reply.
And I must say, full marks and credit for not just taking the two verses I referenced to on this one aspect of my post, in isolation.
I also hope you didn't think I only quoted these two to use them for another purpose than what they are intended.
Often when I write to you, I have assumed you are well up to speed with the surrounds of the verses I quote.
I also expect, the Bible on the overall, you remembrance or knowledge of much of it, is well ahead of mine.

My mission and priority which is and will always be from the Bible, is for God's truth to come out and not wotsup's thoughts and opinions.
Rehash my pet project - I can assure you, my pet project, "The Word" is wrapped up in and includes the entire Bible, so if that's not an area you want to cover, I find that very sad.
Now just so you understand, at times I may write "the word" in this manor and the reason being, from the Greek "we" have not any justification to ever right the word, word with a capital W. it should be written with either ALL capitals or ALL lower case.
Never the less, when you see it written as "the word", by placing "the" in front of something, it is the same or has the same meaning as writing as such - Word. A bit like "The" God.

You say my mind is made up, I will put it to you, IT is NOT my mind, but what is written, so "I" don't have a choice in the matter!
So here is my position and that I believe is the same as the scientists, the evidence we have, strongly supports this and that view, so until another comes along, this is what we say is the truth.
So believe you me, if you have Bible evidence that shows something else, my view will change, but until then, it like that irremovable Rock that we see in The OT which as you know show up in the NT, the corner stone, foundation etc.

How do you say the Father calls them/us? - So I will conclude from your post that your answer is - God calls us, draws us in by his word!