Spot the difference, page-342

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    That may be the impression, but actually I don't care either way. It's not personal. Thousands of posts in this tread and it's not personal? Come on, you care!

    How can we examine an Organising Principle that is the Cause of something, that it is not a part of what it orchestrates? It's not part of physical existance? All we can do is look at the totality, balance, cohesiveness of the system and come to the conclusion that we have never observed order manifesting from inert disorder, life emerging from non-life, effect without cause, order without a governing principle of order and so on.

    By all means reject any description of what this God may be, but I think it very brave for anybody with a scientific bent to dismiss out of hand the principle of a God just because it can never be part of ones empirical evidence.

    It has nothing to do with complexity, it has nothing to do with personal reasons, it has to do with what kind of process can self-generate to produce a universe, the forces that bind, life, sentience and a molecule of life that has within it the potential to become a virus and a blue whale, a protozoa and a T-Rex?

    Natural order is benign, yes or no? If you say yes then what the hell is it? It evolves, it rights itself after catastrophes, it reaches for order and balance, chaos could not implement so many checks and balances, surely it represents the force of this God thing acting upon physical reality?

    If you say, no, then how does a benign system function. And you can't just say that once it starts it just keeps going because what started it and gave it such unlimited potential. Science can't own that aspect of the system and then eliminate this force of God. Science tells us that no benign system can cause and effect and this universe and us are the mother of all effects.
 
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