Stay Out Of The Middle East

Originally posted by teamwilly ↑

ravishankaray

So what is so good about that clip ? I see it as a Christian fundamentalist standing in front of a whole lot of fundamentalists and saying "My God / Jesus is more dinkum than your Muslim Prophet , he just doesn't stack up "
Who are we to debunk/criticise /belittle someone else's religion or belief . What is the F..king point ? To cause insult , generate hate, division , inflame provoke a response .....WHAT ?
If I had to do something like that to my father-in law , who is a Catholic ......I'd be out on my ear very fast . I know it would cause him discomfort and he would see it as an abseloute insult .
Here something for the Christians from the old testament .....http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com.au/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
You can see the fair amount of crap in the bible as well ...but the speaker in the clip does not mention any of that ...does he now . Because he would not have an audience if he talked about that .

Why not attack the FAKE muslim/ jihadi , why does it always have to be ALL Muslims , good ones and bad ones all mixed together.

We have to start to repair this sheet before it gets out of hand , and we have to respect other people's religion and beliefs . We as Australians are doing it in Bali every year that we visit ....it's all around you every day ......ever taken note of the thousands of offerings made every morning ? Aussies have always respected that , why can we not find a way to respect our fellow citizens with a different belief and we may just find a way to make peace with the people that were here 50,000 years earlier .

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teamwilly

Perhaps it helps to understand that your facts hinge on your perspectives?

I am not sure if you can? It would be a pity if you cannot, for a lot of the richness in Smith's account, is thus so lost.

Jay Smith is overtly a deeply Christian man and can't seem to contain his 'gotcha' type of joy at seeking to TRUMP (excuse the term) islam. It is a one-upmanship that diminishes him, and tests his scholarship. Belief is belief, and no amount of rationalism, will change the dogmatic, dog headed belief of believer.

In a way he is reminiscent of the Catholic Biblical scholar Father de Vaux who could not, despite being an astounding world authority, contain his Catholicism in the translation of the Dead Sea scrolls! And in the process stuffed it up...

But if you can pigeonhole that, as Smith's limitation. If....

Then the historicity of what Dr. Jay Smith lectures is impeccable, and I believe is to be the faultless, current understanding of the historical record of islam. And the obvious glaring factual holes and contradictions that exist in islam, that only a muslim would accept in the mindlessness that is common in all religion, and to all believers.

Yet for me, (someone who accepts neither the theology of Judaism, Christianity nor islam, nor any other theology as my purpose or teleology,) then Smith is an incredible historian. For his summation fits in with the moulding of the Christian faith, and how it was being, and had been moulding, prior to islams explosion.

islam is by an large, a particularly strong Christian doctrine that existed in Egypt from about 200-550 AD. Arianism, and it's main tenet was the Shahadah. (Sortuv) A type of Christianity that strongly eschewed the trinity! Because of this 'blasphemy' it survived, tenuously, at the fringes of Byzantium (Eastern Roman Christian Middle Eastern Catholicism of the Maronites, Greek Orthodox, Egyptian Copts) power and thought... until!!! Until.... the Byzantium Empire stuffed up, (plague mainly) at which point the Desert Armies took control over what was the skeleton of ancient Rome. The absurdity of the existent koran is that Mecca is mention once vaguely, mohammed only four times, whereas Moses is mentioned 114 times!

Bizarre!

If you can't stomach Dr. Smith try reading Tom Holland's account.

He is a delightful historian.