Stop being racist: Steggall to Dutton

Originally posted by 822-190: ↑

"...what is on show is nothing short of genocide of all Gazans, all Palestinians..."

I expected better from you, a seemingly we-educated person, and am disappointed that you have fallen into the trap of accepting the Israel-bashers' description of what Israel is doing in Gaza as "genocide".

Hamas claim that 40,000 Gazans have been killed....Israel claims that 17,000 Hamas operatives have been killed, meaning that - very sadly - up to 23,000 non-combatant Gazans have been killed....and 23,000 is a long way from any reasonable person's definition of "genocide".

After 10 months, if Israel - as you claim - had been engaging in "genocide of all Gazans, all Palestinians", the death toll would be many multiples of even the Hamas-conjured (and non-independently-verified!!!) - and probably inflated - numbers.

Meanwhile, the more than 2 million Palestinians who are Israeli citizens remain alive, healthy, and enjoying full and equal rights with their fellow Jewish Israelis....and knowing that they are not in danger of being victims of a "genocide"..

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@822-190 - I did not wish to engage with you, as i know you simply spend all your time on HC watching out for anyone saying negative things about Israel. But I will give it a go, because I am absolutely and definitely pro-Israel, feel it has a right to exist, has done well for itself, but it is also a bastion of Western thought and support (via America and its vested interest) in the Middle East. The geopolitics and wisdom of that is a little beyond my understanding - as the American support has not always been forthcoming, and sometimes it was more sometimes less enthusiastic - probably a matter of who is in charge over there; the American foothold in Israel is both a support for Israel as well as making Israel a target for other powers in the area; it is one of those geographical points which could spark a mass conflagration, endangering the entire Middle East, maybe the world.

Your figures are just guesswork, everyone's is - anyone watching this on TV, which I am assuming is uncensored, realises the desperate situation of the Palestinians.
Yes, we know that Hamas is entrenched in all layers of Palestinian society, I also know and have observed the slow expansionism of Israel, with American religious jews coming in with missionary zeal as new settlers into the border areas of Israel.
A lot of injustice happened in Israel when first settled, but caused by even greater injustice to the Jewish people - I realise all that.

There is also the potential for a greater war - which is probably a concern for the Israeli population, but not - it seems - for its present leaders.
Leaders, as we know from history, always have their own greatness at heart, and never care one iota for 'the people' - 'The People' are useful fools as stepping stones to power, then they can be discarded. To me Netanjahu is a classic example - he needs to remain in power, otherwise he will go to jail. Powerful motivation to keep the bloodshed going - he probably believes he will win this, never mind how many people die.

I am not thoroughly educated in the minutae of this dreadful bloodshed, but simply have had enough of viewing the nightly news with nothing but yet another episode of people searching through a damaged former home or hospital for survivors, crying, injured children, desperate nurses and doctors and mothers and fathers crying over dead and injured children. It needs to stop; I know many Israelis as well as my Jewish friends are wishing for the same thing.
Taurisk