I am rather uncertain re the greats, great, greats etc. and pent time telling my bro that he was tagging me with some of his "greats"'/.... but new little babies are always fun to meet. Today friend and I planted pansies and roses, todate nobody has nicked them but church gardens have, in the past, been temptations for young children to drag out and throw plants about.....grrr. tire of roses, not yet in flower, but with all the blackspots, ,and need of care. Hopefully someone has offered more ways for caring for these roses...hope so.....