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06/11/16

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Originally posted by pintohoo ↑

morning,

some of these technologies reduce or illuminate some hazardous problems with lithium batteries - and, yes, the terminal problem causing plating and fire will be solved at some stage by some company or companies.

However, IMO, you cannot have a huge amount of energy stored in a compact area that if that area is ruptured or similar - and, that source of energy will be completely safe if released in an uncontrolled manner.

I won't say it's impossible - but, I think it highly unlikely - ever. (Potential energy - yes, but, energy itself - no).

Aside from the lithium plating terminals problem - I am really astounded that we still stick thousands of little batteries together in large packs to power cars and houses ---------- it seems a very inefficient way to me - and, to build a gigafactoy to do something like that - well, to me - I think that alone proves that we are in the very early days of these technologies.

Very odd practice.

I asked at a recent conference on whether or not Tesla would have factored in to their business plan - revenue from battery replacement or refurbishment at all (like selling cars cheap and then making money on parts) -

I asked this because there was a titanium process for the terminals at the conference - and, I thought - well, if Tesla has factored this into their business plan, then, they sure wouldn't want some process that makes the batteries literally last forever (or practically forever).

I was told that Tesla has consistently been asked that question and that they have stated over and over again that they have NO plan beyond 5 years because they believed that technology would be completely different in 5 years anyway.

Which immediately brought to my mind that they would have wanted to make very sure that their billion dollar battery factory could be fairly easily upgraded in a hurry.

It's an interesting space - and, I expect a lot of blowups are to come - no matter what the power source or how it is contained.

Pinto

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Volvo is researching a carbon Lithium material that will conduct n charge a cars electrical needs and save 15% of weight saving... It's on you tube, and works in a spiraling formation that you save weight on the chassis resulting in less Weight required elsewhere...no battery pack per se just an entire electrical structure, rather than many individual cells... There's an Aussie company that has a similar methodology linked with tata from memory?
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