Tonio, you are talking that horse stuff again.
Not to mention, You fail to address numerous verses, God = Almighty God and Father ALONE created.
God has only spoken in, through the Son in these Last days = after Baptism.
So right here, the term God does NOT include Jesus.
If Jesus pre-existed here would have been Spiritual and the Bible is VERY CLEAR, the Spiritual Jesus did NOT exist before the first Adam.
Adam also means Man and "The God" is Not and cannot become man.
Matt 19:4
King James Bible
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that
he
which made
them
at the beginning made them male and female,
Turn the lights on Tonio, NO WAY is Jesus including himself as part of the HE here.
Gen 1: 26-27
26
And God said, Let
us
make man in
our
image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27
So God created man in
his
own
image, in the image of God created
he
him; male and female created
he
them.
Lights on, camera role --> Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD (Almighty God and Father) the heavens were made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth = Spirit.
Again if Jesus pre-existed he would have been a host and the heavens were before the hosts.
Ruling out all things being made through the literal, physical Jesus.
Now question about it, the Bible says is several places, by wisdom God made, founded all things.
In proverbs, wisdom is clearly personalized as though it' a being.
So this ours and us could very well be effectively, God speaking to himself, wisdom.
But at the very best we can say of this ours and us is, there were observers seeing God alone do the creating as in you own quote he, it is clearly referring to "HE" as in singular and the one and only singular God actually made the man in HIS OWN image = singular here again.
Elohim which you clowns say supports a plural God is rubbish.
Moses was also an Elohim, so to say Elohim means, supports 3 Gods, You then chum would have to insist Moses was 3 = madeness.
Wotsup,
It is very, very clear that the God that created man and women in Gen 1:27 is the
'us and our
of Gen 1:26
Remember that all things were created through Jesus and all things were created through the Word
(Jesus must be the Word) In the beginning the Word was God and was with the God.
All things created through the word = Dumy, what are you not seeing, God said, God said and the Bible says, God only spoke in and through Jesus in these LAST days, creation already existing = Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Ps 102: 25-27
25
Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens
are
the work of thy hands.
--> Singular as in one apple.
26
They shall perish, but thou
(Singular)
shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
27
But thou
art
the same, and thy years shall have no end.
(God becomes man, flies in the face of this verse).
Heb 1: 10-12
10
And, Thou, Lord,LORD (Almighty God and Father) in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
The LORD = (Almighty God and Father) said unto my Lord = (Jesus).
11
They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12
And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Wotsup.
The two verses above speak of the creation . The one from the OT says it is God and
the one form the NT says that it is Jesus.
The Father created everything through the Son =
Your two lines above shoot your words here in the foot, they are saying they are both the creator and yet here, your saying the Father who is God created everything.
All things are from the Father through the Son = The through is clearly in the context of, the future Jesus to be was the first thought of God, the beginning of his inner creation, foundation Rev 3:14 and in the mind and plans of God, the Jesus to be was the firstborn of creation, God inner creation where your creation begins.
So through, for the sake of, by reason of, because of this future one, God and God alone created all things and Then, Now has placed all things into Jesus hands for the Plan of GOD's and that being, HIM God All IN ALL via HIS Spirit the Holy which he is and His Word which is also Spirit.
