No dreaming whatsoever required, simply let the word do the talking.
the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.
John 17:22 - And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
The Glory being ref here, is the word of God.
That which is flesh is flesh .......words from it, human, earthly. The which is born of Spirit, the word of God is Spiritual, heavenly.
Jesus in John ch 17 says the likes of, he is not of the world and likewise, those he was given, were not of the world. If you not of the world, you are of the Heavenly, God (John 1:13).
Were these ones literally in Heaven at this point in time = Nope.
