The essence of the facts, page-24

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    Tasoooo, HC wouldn't allow me to respond directly to your post;

    Part of you post -> Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God,

    Yep, Jesus is not 1/3rd of what the Bible speaks of, regarding the ONE God.


    However, Jesus was Not JUST a messenger as in all the other messengers.
    He was a man but not of the 1st Adam, of the dust, earthly.
    He was the 2nd Adam, man.
    You might say, like the 1st Adam before his misadventures, but Jesus was not made of the dust.

    However, the plan for a Jesus to be in the future, was before the world was.
    The Jesus to be was the first of God's plans, hence why Jesus is referred to as the Beginning of the creation of God, Rev 3:14 and the firstborn of creation Col 1:15.
    Beginning of the creation and firstborn of creation is in reference to the Mind and Plans of the Almighty God and Father and these plans are known as God's logos and they or God's logos is also known as Glory.
    Example -> Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things:

    With this plan in mind, the Jesus to be, God,....by reason of, on account of, for the sake of, because of the future one to be (Jesus), God and God alone (hands on etc) created all things.

    John 17:5 confirms this -> (Jesus speaking) -
    And now Glorify Me You, Father, with Yourself (first time literally), with Glory insofar held before the world existed, with You.

    As I said before, God's plans are known as His Logos (inner, where your logos begins) and that is also known as Glory.
    This Glory (plan of a Jesus to be) was held via God alone before the plans of a world come to mind.
    Hence Jesus asks God for this Glory God held AND now God's Glory as in his now literal, physical presence, hence the real meaning, Truth of John 17:5.
    Jesus was not literally by God's side before the world was.

    He was Not just a prophet like the rest, as God raised, led and taught Jesus for 30 odd years as per Deu 18:18, resulting in Jesus receiving the Word and Spirit (the Holy) without measure.
    God is Word, the Word (the Aleph Tav), hence when Jesus spoke after the many years of being raised, He then became the Express Image, of the Almighty God and Father who is Spirit/Word/Light.
 
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