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Originally posted by wotsup: ↑

I and the Father are one -> Jesus's following interpretation.

John 17:20 -24 - Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
So that -> they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(Word, their word sets the stage, context of what the messages here are about).
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; so that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

"glory" -> You can only become one as they are one by your word (glory being word here), taking it on board the word of God, accepting in, abiding in, it becoming your way of life and by that being expressed by you, in words or action, is your spirit person expressed.
Hence you could say, the spirit of each other is in each other, walking and living in the same spirit -> "perfect in one".

John 1:1.........and God (Father) was/is the Word -> all to become one in word, for the end plan = God maybe all in all, via his Spirit and word.

" be with me where I am;" -> where was Jesus in that moment in time;
John 17:16 - They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

They and Jesus would be deemed from above, of God, of heaven.
Let Thy Kingdom (word) come on earth as in heaven.
(The Kingdom would be in some = the word of God, truth of).

I and the Father are one = one in word, which with it's full context, meaning, it automatically brings Unity = represented by ONE -> God is One.

Jesus having the God and Father words without measure, when he expressed them out, he became the express image of the God and Fathers Person Heb 1:3, John 14:10 where it is deemed as hearing the words of God from Jesus, as seeing (perceiving - Inter) the Father.

From where I'm sitting or from my understanding, the above is like a, b, c's = SIMPLES and yet for some very strange reason, people don't appear to get it =

PS. "believe on me through their word;" -> The "me" there = The Word of God by name Rev 19:13 -> the whole package of the word of God, he represents.

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Hi wotsup

I don't bother getting into in-depth discussions with people around this subject unless you have an appreciation for epistemology and ontology.

Ontologically I agree with you
Epistemologically I agree with Catholic teaching.

You have a few of my other posts to address in this thread instead which you haven't responded to.

Kam
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