The Misunderstanding

Originally posted by The Disciple… ↑

@ppm56 — You were asked a simple and sincere question:
“Can you show the Trinity from Scripture — not from your Church, not from councils, not from tradition — but from the Bible alone?”

And once again, instead of answering directly with Scripture as requested, you ran straight to Church tradition and theological spin. That alone speaks volumes.

Let me be clear: I am not asking whether you or the RCC believe in the Trinity. I asked for the biblical foundation — in your own words, from your own study — not regurgitated commentary from RCC sources.

You say I “impose my own standards,” but no — I simply asked for Scripture. That’s not my standard — that’s YHWH’s.
Isaiah 8:20 (TLV): “To the Torah and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light.”

If you can’t explain your doctrine from the Word alone, then yes — your doctrine is flawed.

You mentioned Matthew 28:19, John 1, and 2 Corinthians 13:14 — fair enough. But none of those verses define or explain the concept of “one God in three co-equal persons” as the doctrine of the Trinity teaches. They show the Father, Son, and Spirit, yes — but not a triune deity structure. The word Trinity itself doesn’t appear. Nor is it ever taught directly by Yeshua or the apostles.

Now, regarding your constant fallback that “the Church interprets Scripture for us” — that’s precisely the problem.
Yeshua never once said, “Listen to the Church over My Word.” In fact, He warned us about traditions that make the Word of God of no effect (Mark 7:7–9).

He pointed to Scripture — “It is written...” — not to Rome, not to councils, not to popes.

And please stop pretending that everything I believe comes from Protestantism. I don’t follow Protestant creeds or denominations.
I follow Yeshua’s words and what is written — full stop.

The sad part is this: you mock those of us who stand on Scripture alone, while simultaneously admitting that your doctrines can’t stand without “the Church” interpreting it for you. That’s not faith — that’s dependence on man. You’re not defending the Word of God — you’re defending an institution.

So again, I challenge you:
Show the doctrine of the Trinity from Scripture — without Church tradition, councils, or man-made creeds.
If it’s truth, it should stand on the Word alone.
Let’s stick to the original question. Not more lectures. Not Church history. Just Scripture.

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@ppm56 — You were asked a simple and sincere question:
“Can you show the Trinity from Scripture — not from your Church, not from councils, not from tradition — but from the Bible alone?”

Let me be clear: I am not asking whether you or the RCC believe in the Trinity. I asked for the biblical foundation — in your own words, from your own study — not regurgitated commentary from RCC sources.

not regurgitated commentary from RCC sources.

Please TD DO NOT USE SUCH INSULTING REMARKS AS THIS, you’re starting to be a pest to say the least, read my lip, go first look at your own posting, it is you that is posting regurgitated commentary from protestant sources anti-Catholic at that too, no matter how much you say you are following the bible, the fact is that you are not, you are just repeating protestant theology there is no way around it
There is nowhere in scripture that says “only the bible must be used,” this is definitely a protestant tradition

My dear friend, you are starting to be very obnoxious person similar to the person that you have on ignore, let me state it to you again I gave you me personal take, furthermore who the hack are you to dictate to others what is posted or not, do I dictate to you what you post, even thou you are posting traditional Protestant theology and anti-cc bigotry , I gave you my personal take on the bible being a Trinitarian book, my own concept, just because you don’t agree it and put you on a larch it means it’s coming from CC sources
Like it or not the whole bible is a testimony of the Trinity, The Bible as a whole reflects the concept of the Trinity, OT -Father as the Creator, NT-on Jesus (the Redeemer), and Holy Spirit (the Sanctifier),through both its content and the way it presents the relationship among the three persons of the one God, signifies the Trinity

Throughout both the Old and New Testaments, there is a consistent affirmation of the oneness of God while also indicating a plurality within that oneness. For example, in Genesis 1:26, God says, “Let us make mankind in our image.” This plural language hints at a complexity within God's nature.

The Old Testament lays the groundwork for understanding the Trinity. Various passages refer to the Spirit of God (Genesis 1:2, Psalm 51:11) and the Word of the Lord, indicating distinct operations of God that would later be understood in the context of the Trinity.

In the New Testament, the concept of the Trinity is more explicitly stated. The Gospels present Jesus as the Son of God, affirming his divine nature through his teachings, miracles, death, and resurrection. Notably, passages like John 1:1-14, which states that "the Word was God" and "the Word became flesh," highlight the divinity of Christ.

The New Testament also provides a clear picture of the Holy Spirit’s role, emphasizing the Spirit’s work in the lives of believers, as seen in Acts and the letters of Paul. The Holy Spirit is described as a counsellor, comforter, and the one who sanctifies believers (Romans 8:9, 1 Corinthians 12:4-11).

Not to mention the relational dynamics among the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are illustrated throughout Scripture. For instance, the interactions in the Gospels, such as during Jesus' baptism (Matthew 3:16-17), depict a moment where all three persons are present and engaged in a singular divine mission, Jesus in the River, the Father speaking and the Holy Spirit as a Dove

The Bible presents a unified plan of salvation that involves all three persons of the Trinity working together to redeem humanity and establish God’s kingdom, as seen in the prophetic literature of the Old Testament and the apocalyptic vision in Revelation.

While term "Trinity" itself does not appear in the Bible, the Scriptures collectively present a framework that articulates the relational nature of God as one essence in three persons, each participating in the divine plan of creation, redemption, and sanctification.
The term was coined to make sure that people like you don’t mislead others with the lack of understanding of scripture down the cliff,
The Term “Trinity” was coined in reaction to Gnosticism, Docetism, Arianism, Marcionism, Ebionism, Alogoi and Adoptionism to say the least, all these undermined the traditional understanding of the eternal Sonship of Christ

Again, concept of the Trinity—representing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons within one divine essence—can be found throughout the Scriptures. Here are several key verses that reflect the Trinitarian understanding:
Matthew 28:19 (Great Commission)
2 Corinthians 13:14 (Paul's blessing)
John 1:1-14 (The Word was God)
John 14:16-17 (The Promise of the Holy Spirit)
Colossians 2:9 (Deity of Christ)
Hebrews 1:1-3 (Christ as the exact representation of God's nature)
1 Peter 1:2 (Salvation through the Trinity)

Verses like these and collectively highlight the distinct roles and unity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which form the basis for the doctrine of the Trinity in the history of our salvation, you and me and all humanity
And that my Friend is all coming from scripture, the book of the bible itself is a testimony of it all, its not rocket science

PLEASE DON'T DICTATE WHAT SOURCES THAT I SHOULD USE, unless you yourself can back from the bible where it states "Only the Bible must be used" and no 2 Timothy 3:16-17 doesn't cut it either, as specific claim that "only the Bible" should be used for doctrine is typically derived from theological interpretation like Protestantism rather than explicit biblical text

All the above is biblical, and shock and horror my take