The pause that was and then was not!

Originally posted by jopo ↑

you said
That was written in 2010. A glance at the data (RATPAC or RSS) says that the statement is technically correct - but it’s truly disappointing to see someone from NOAA falling into the trap of discussing the lack of a significant trend over a time period too short for the trend to emerge from the noise. Whoever wrote it really should have consulted a statistician.

You castigate me for my use of data that all the major climate bodies have used and acknowledged that the stratosphere cooling is not happening (or drastically reduced)

And I highlight to you the limited dataset you are using. For that I copped another round of ad hom and other attacks from yourself and mjp

You and mjp are happy to use 20 years of data to incorrectly push a point in my opinion that is not supported by NOAA, IPCC etc

I NOW provide you with further evidence of support from NOAA, IPCC etc etc to my assertion that the stratosphere is not cooling as the IPCC and other would love it to and you respond how disappointed you are that NOAA fell for the trap of using limited data.

FMD. you are unbelievable.

Does this rant by you seem familiar
https://hotcopper.com.au/posts/31328089/single

Seriously I am warranted in cooling you a hypocrite here Tristanc. Yes I am disappointed in you

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jopo, you are lying.

"You and mjp are happy to use 20 years of data to incorrectly push a point in my opinion that is not supported by NOAA, IPCC etc"

The bald falsity of what you say there is only exceeded by the number of times you have made similarly totally false and fabricated claims in the past. Which is almost every time you open your mouth.

This, 50 years of data:

Plus this 50 years of data:

Originally posted by tristanc ↑

Sigh. I have the distinct recollection that we've been through all of this before. That bell curve on the left is the weighting function, you doofus.

Radiosondes agree with me. Here - I'll prove it. I went to https://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ratpac/ratpac-a/ to download the annual data for RATPAC-A. Then I separately took the tropics (20S-20N and 30S-30N) and extratropics (NH and SH) and calculated the temperature trend for each pressure level. The result looks like this:

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Blue and orange are the tropics, grey and yellow are the northern and southern extratropics respectively. Exactly as I've been saying, the switch from warming to cooling (the place where the trend crosses zero) is at a much higher altitude in the tropics (~150 mbar - about 14 km) compared to higher latitudes (~250 mbar - about 11 km).

For completeness' sake, here's the temperature trends for the 70, 50 and 30 mbar levels for the tropics:
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the northern extratropics:
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... and the southern extratropics:
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If you can't see cooling trends there, then there's nothing more I can do for you.

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Plus this explanation of the staircase decline in the first chart:

Originally posted by mjp2 ↑

Quite a good paper here explaining the relative affects of ozone and greenhouse gasses and the cause of "step-like" declining temperatures.
All consistent with what we've been posting on this.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015JD023841/full

Satellite instruments show a cooling of global stratospheric temperatures over the whole data record (1979–2014). This cooling is not linear and includes two descending steps in the early 1980s and mid-1990s. The 1979–1995 period is characterized by increasing concentrations of ozone-depleting substances (ODSs) and by the two major volcanic eruptions of El Chichón (1982) and Mount Pinatubo (1991). The 1995–present period is characterized by decreasing ODS concentrations and by the absence of major volcanic eruptions. Greenhouse gas (GHG) concentrations increase over the whole time period. In order to isolate the roles of different forcing agents in the global stratospheric temperature changes, we performed a set of simulations using the NASA Goddard Earth Observing System Chemistry-Climate Model with prescribed sea surface temperatures. We find that in our model simulations the cooling of the stratosphere from 1979 to present [2014] is mostly driven by changes in GHG concentrations in the middle and upper stratosphere and by GHG and ODS changes in the lower stratosphere. While the cooling trend caused by increasing GHGs is roughly constant over the satellite era, changing ODS concentrations cause a significant stratospheric cooling only up to the mid-1990s, when they start to decrease because of the implementation of the Montreal Protocol. Sporadic volcanic events and the solar cycle have a distinct signature in the time series of stratospheric temperature anomalies but do not play a statistically significant role in the long-term trends from 1979 to 2014. Several factors combine to produce the step-like behavior in the stratospheric temperatures: in the lower stratosphere, the flattening starting in the mid-1990s is due to the decrease in ozone-depleting substances; Mount Pinatubo and the solar cycle cause the abrupt steps through the aerosol-associated warming and the volcanically induced ozone depletion. In the middle and upper stratosphere, changes in solar irradiance are largely responsible for the step-like behavior of global temperature anomalies, together with volcanically induced ozone depletion and water vapor increases in the post-Pinatubo years.

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You don't know what you are talking about and , it seems, you don't care.