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Originally posted by wotsup: ↑

Following is what the Bible etc show me whereu.
The way for Yehowah is prepared first and that is the first 13 verses.
Mal 3:1 - Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith Yehowah of hosts.

In beginning was the Word and the word was to, toward, with the God and God (Yehowah) was the Word.
This; -> was in beginning to the God.
Through him all things were made = Isa 44:24 - Thus saith Yehowah, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I Yehowah that maketh allthings; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;Psa 33:6,9 - By the word of Yehowah were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
For He spoke, and it wasdone; He commanded, and it stood fast.

Why did he create;
dia: through, on account of, because of
Original Word:διά
Part of Speech:Preposition
Transliteration:dia
Phonetic Spelling:(dee-ah')
Definition:through, on account of, because of
Usage:(a) gen: through, throughout, by the instrumentality of, (b) acc: through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of. -> the future one to be, born from Mary, known as part of God's Logos/plan in John 1:1, 2.

So right there whereu, it is very clear, that you cannot place Jesus in John 1:3, which naturally means you CANNOT place him in 1 & 2, as the one in there, expressed OUT his word to create.You have zero grounds to even said that - And Jesus said let there be light.

The only way that Jesus is incorporated into 1 & 2, is by God's inner logos/plan for first a Jesus to be born from Mary and second a Gens creation plan for the one to be, who would then be raised in God's word Deu 18:18, and finish up with the words of the God and Father, without measure, by the time he was sent into the world = ONLY After his Baptism John 17:18.

1:1 and God was/is the Word -> while you logos and plans are still within you, where they and all your creations begin, they ARE YOU, hence and God was the Word.
His first inner creation/logos/plan -> Col 1:15 - Who is the image of the invisible God (as was the 1st Adam), the firstborn of creation: (in the mind of God, for the one to be from Mary.
Same context -> Rev 3:14 - And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;Same context -> Rev 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.Eph 3:9 - And to make allmensee whatis the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things -> As per Isa 44:24 above etc.

Re 1:1 and the Greeks order of preferred definitions of their word = To, Toward, With.
To ->expressing motion in the direction of (a particular location or event).................and the Word as To The God.
expressing a point reached at the end of a range or after a period of time
Toward -> ongoing, in progress, planning toward something, and belonging to someone. ..........and the Word was Toward The God.
With -> accompanied by (another person or thing):..............and the Word was with the God.
having or possessing (something)
indicating the manner or attitude in which a person does somethingin relation to.From the overall definitions here, which are in order of the Greeks preference, there is NO way that another being or person is being described as being to, toward or with the God.We certainly know that verses 1 & 2 include plans as verse 3 which are the results of one plan, smacks that right in our faces, so lets LOOK to the Bible, for the all important plan within 1 & 2.

Verse 1:3 And the Word, part of creation became and God said, and God said, let the be light = he expressed out his inner logos.

Now for the Key plan;
Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal. (To himself, it would appear).
Who would he do this, Rev 13:8 gives us a tip and the following;
2 Tim 1:9 - He has saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works, but by His own purpose and by the grace He granted us in Christ Jesus before time eternal. (through the future one to be).

These people as did Jesus, could rightfully ask the Father for the following and yet like Jesus, they were NOT with the Father literally in time.
John 17:5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

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Oh dear, more meaningless word salad to shoehorn scripture into your delusions.
In order to sensibly address your posts they have to make sense which your word salads don't.
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