this troubles me ..., page-3

"The trouble with climate change being inextricably linked to environmentalism is that if climate change is debunked, environmental causes will be set back for decades ... there is much at stake."

Well with the infiltration and degradation of many major environmental groups by political activists and other predators, the organized environmental movement already has lost much of the credibility and moral high road they once had...

Most greenies these days are seen as either gullible useful idiots (in the communist sense) or predatory, deceitful and manipulating opportunists...

Climate change is very different to the AGW hoax but the two have been purposely conflated and confused as a way of derailing criticism and questioning of the debunked AGW hoax...

Climate change will never be debunked because:
- climate change is always happening
- climate change has always happened
- climate change will always happen

And humanity is as insignificant as a flea on a elephant to these massive ongoing mega-cycles related to the output of the sun, our orbital dynamics and even the just random statsitical fluctuations of the many interlinking and interdependent physical processes that make up our weather and climate system that will occasionally synchronize by superposition and reinforce by feedback loops...

The same thing that happened with the ice age apocalypse warnings in the 70's will happen with these AGW apocalypse warnings we have now...
The media will lose interest, greedy and corrupt politicians will find another mechanism to extract tax from and frighten a population into submission, and the charlatans behind the scam will pack up their caravans on move onto the next scam...

We are all environmentalists and we all want to preserve and protect our natural environment and so this current AGW hoax, where the corrupt, greedy, power-hungry and predatory seek to panic us all into handing them riches and power, will hardly stain the long term position of the environmentalism that is a deeply rooted part of us all...