Loaded Dog, you could be right about subs defence capabilities....

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    Loaded Dog, you could be right about subs defence capabilities. I guess they class them as attack subs because.......?

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    There are conflicting analyses of the motives of Japan that led to the Battle of the Coral Sea. Whatever the truth, our history is written by the victors.

    How long is long enough to have repaid America for their participation in a battle in a war they declared on Japan after Pearl Harbour. If there was any debt, Australia has surely repaid in full.

    this goes directly to a question about when Australian govts will start acting in our national interest rather than America's. The two aren't the same.

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    LD i'm glad you cited deterrence as the central reason for ADF existing. And yours was a totally apt metaphor for deterrence.

    that said, some subs could be useful but not against successive waves of hypersonic missiles.. white elephants never do.

    there are many different effective structures for the ADF that could be deployed without white elephants. But not with America's involvement.
 
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