''Totally agree, but can't see that happening in America without...

''Totally agree, but can't see that happening in America without them degrading themselves to a war torn 3rd world country first.''

oh, it's practically doable -------------- particularly for America if they had the will

we sit in places like Oz and America and we think that this kind of thing isn't possible

but, others have done it -------------- Spain wasn't what it is now all that long ago.

Portugal - one read of the history of the 'Tulip revolution' - gives one hope for humanity -

flowers CAN work where bullets don't 'have' to be fired

the difference in America and Australia is that both are insulated from history and both think that they are 'the best country in the world' and 'we can cope'

as they slide downhill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_Revolution