UK general election 2024 results live: Exit poll points to Labour victory

Originally posted by pintohoo: ↑

'' While RW spruikers are lauding the seeming RW move in France,
IMO the French working class simply wanted a change of Government
per se rather a conscious "step to the Right"

yes - but, they want to step - that we agree on

the point is - where can they step to?

and that's the point - the middle isn't working for them. So, they've ditched the middle
Macron is right a bit - but, reasonably close to the middle. The traditional right - just a bit right - I'd call it conservative - I'd call both of them conservative

so where to step? - it's got to be left or far right ----------- so France - many - about a third - have gone far right - the rest hover around left with a small amount in the middle

the poms - the conservatives have clearly not worked for them - so, they've lurched left to Labour

the poms aren't all that far right - but, it's growing

the other point for the poms is that Labour isn't all that left - Kier Starmer is certainly making noises that lefties make - education, schools, school breakfasts, housing, health etc

but, by god - he's got to be about one of the most steady looking hands on a wheel one could have - so very very British (whether it does much for Britain is to be seen)

in the end - I agree with you - as the French - just want a change of government - so do most others it seems

right left or middle - if you are in ------- you are in grave danger of being dumped out

the hungry dog bites - anything that comes near it

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Thank you for the post pintohoo,

I'm here in Europe at present and the spike in cost of living
seems to be the big concern coupled with the influx of
migrants. Its a shock from pre-Covid.

When the economy is down and the working class is
in strife for a crust the traditional thing was to turn
to Labour (Labor) or left leaning policies. But recently
due to the MSM peddling blatant RW propaganda
there seems to be a return to the 1930s RW populism
by the working class . The capitalist response to that
had been war.

IMO we'll see more Independents (the ultimate populists)
spring up because the main political parties still pander
to the uber rich while sprucing jobs and social programs
out of the other side of their mouths. Ireland being #2
on the wealth list for 2024 is turning to Independents big time
simply because the "Trickle Down" is not happening

The political cool aid test is ultimately the division of wealth
and since the GFC the billionaires have simply tripled their wealth
while the working class standard of living has deteriorated

But I guess our working classes in the West still aspire to be
millionaires or better so Socialist Policies for them are on the nose
because as Yeats said: "Thread softly because you thread on my dreams"

I guess that's why Lotto is popular!

Of course, over the longer term if the capitalist system causes the wealth gap to
increase at the current rate , the likely outcomes are either dictatorships or revolutions
like that of the French & Russian .

In that sense , China is an interesting Hybrid of Capitalism & Dictatorship, IMO.