value on offer?

Hello fellow investors! I've been having a close look at PTM and Hunter Hall (HHL). Both have a long history with mostly performance, until recently. Both I've outstanding leaders and high ROEs. PTM seems to have stunning ROEs. Both seem to be held ransom from market downturns, and are bleeding Funds under management. Also, Europe and Japan don't help at all with sentiment. Both stocks have great fully franked dividends, HHL much higher, but both will be cut in the next 12 months I suspect. Anyone seeing value in PTM or HHL at these prices?!! Surely soon value will appear. I have the intrinsic value of both at least 20pc higher than the current prices?! Any buyers? Sellers? Holders care to share their opinions? Which would one prefer for ASX upside and income?!