I think the answer is that there has always been something,...

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    I think the answer is that there has always been something, nothingness has never existed. So it's a moot point. I have had a search for some evidence that science has suggested that something can come from absolute nothingness but I can not find a thing. If you find anything let me know. Nothing to be sorry about, it may be a case of differing definitions but I can see no way in which science would suggest such a thing, it is an impossible absolute that has nothing to do with human experience.

    Science renders God redundant if you conclude that nothing is capable of extraordinary feats of composition, the emergence of life and the development of a creature that can argue about it on HC.

    There is no need for an explanation for the source of God because whatever God is it is eternal and uncreated. So just as you mentioned that sometimes things contradict our experiences the notion of something being eternal is impossible to conceive.

    Well of course I attribute things to God that we don't understand because we don't understand God at all, we don't understand the nature of Creation, or how life came about and how it had the capacity to evolve all the way to us, but we can see that it forms a universe that requires staggering degrees of exactitude, it fixes natural laws and applies exacting limitations.

    Are you suggesting that nothingness did this or its just an inherent aspect of matter, none of that makes any sense. You know the story of the monkeys at typewriters and how long before one types a Shakespearian sonnet by accident. The answer is never. Same with the universe, nothingness, this is energy, pre-matter, perturbations in a quantum vacuum will do precisely nothing if purpose and will are not exerted upon it. Something enable a universe to form.

    Perhaps it's the religious image of God that is the problem. I don't believe in that version of God, or any version really, it is beyond understanding, yet the need is not beyond legitimate consideration.

    As for bad designs, this is irrelevant. All natural functions are adequate. I don't see God as a designer.

    Nothing caused God. God is preexisting, its nature is beyond all comprehension, but if a universe exists and every aspect of that universe is contingent then it's not unreasonable to suggest that the agent of cause is superior and external to the effect. Whatever degree of complexity resides in God is irrelevant because it is what it is and always has been.

    What caused God is not a question that has an answer or even relates to the state of God when that God is eternal, not eternal with all those religious connotations, rather in an absolute sense. God is absolute abstraction and beyond conceptualising.
 
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