Williak, my calculation of cash backing after selling Shine is...

Williak, my calculation of cash backing after selling Shine is closer to 3c. So that's what they would be worth if you assign a zero value to Karara, which I think would be a bit harsh.

Bundy_Too Commsec have a zero% on this one for margin lending but I don't think that's new.

What do people think of their response to the ASX reverse speeding ticket? I thought it was rather flat. Said they were in compliance with the rules, but nothing else - no positive spin. Almost like they were saying: What do you expect for a complete basket case?