crazymark - you forgot to add chartists (right heraclitus?)
and claws - its the exact opposite - they believe in themselves to the point where they know they dont need someone elses guidance to live a fruitful and harmonious life.
and they have the balls to tell elderly relatives that they would feel like hypocrites if they went to some gathering on sundays (or saturdays or whenever) and uttered words they have no belief in.
i know i have better things to do with my sundays !!!!
