You don't think that failure of prophesy is a problem for the reliability and truth of the bible?
For me, no but I can see how it would for others.
Do you have a problem with it?
Or have you just not considered or understood the implications of the failure of prophesy and contradictions that are found in the bible?
The simplicity of the philosophy is all I'm concerned about.
If you get bogged down in all the details you miss that.
And it's what you miss that is most important.
They could shed light on the supposed failures and contradictions. Or not.
However, you could explain to me the implications for failure and contradictions. What are they?
''We have nothing from 'the Son of God' - we only have the words of anonymous authors copying from each other and older oral transmission
Fair enough, it's supposed to be inspired, so what is the philosophy these scribes took the time to bring to our eyes and ears?
Oh but we are not interested in that. We only want to deal with what we know. Fair enough.
....nor is a case of what I say.
Mate, you brought it up for discussion.
Again, I merely point
Oh, ok you don't say, you point. I can make the distinction now.
to what the verses say and promise.It is the verses themselves that describe a momentous event
No, they are not entirely about a momentous event. There are procedural attributes and attainments involved and other outside extenuating circumstances could affect what is seen as results.
But to be fair, it's what you know so we can skip the other uninteresting stuff.
and it is the verses themselves that give a clear
Have you noticed with black and white, there is a spectrum of colours that absorb or reflect one and other, producing other colours and grey areas?
There was a covenant with a rainbow, wasn't there?
That's if you break down whatever you are looking at and look.
But let's just focus on the black and white.
timeline for that described event to happen.
Whose timeline are you talking about?
There are two parties involved.
This has nothing to do with me or what I say. It is there for anyone to see and read.Just as it is not a matter of me saying that what was described did not happen as promised. The return of Jesus in power and glory for all the tribes on earth to see within the lifetime of the first Christians clearly did not happen regardless of me saying it.
Jesus speaks about it one way and then the early believers proclaimed what they interpreted.
This is not because I say so, but because the whole world knows it did not happen.
I won't deny that what the early believers believed would happen, didn't happen how it is written for interpretation. It didn't happen. You are correct. I thought we had already established that.
There is no mention of it in the historic record. Nor, if it had happened, would it need to be because if it had, the world would be an entirely different place
Yes, that is correct.
We would be waiting for the new earth and new heavens if in fact they wouldn't already be here.
Now, if it is the word of God and God is real, could we be missing something?
Do we have to go to the beginning and work our way through to the end and then reevaluate what we thought we knew and see if we really knew?
Or, or not?
No, yes?
I suspect there will be no point to it because you keep pointing to the scripture that you know you know about.
Everybody who is anyone knows, it's clear to see and read.
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