bvbfan , regarding Pasminco I disagree , only after the hedging position got in the newspapers, was I told by the company that their female hedger , had the strategy exacly wrong .She was sacked -but the damage was done .A shareholder would have needed to be very proficient & insightful to gleen it from the company reports . I was ringing the company weekly till i bailed at 92 cents .PS I'm holding OZL & bleeding