I pulled the pin the other day at 5.1c. was a technical decision. i decided that the buyers didn't have the oomph to make the cup and handle complete. Didn't post as such as negative posters on HC usually get hung out to dry. My belief was that if 4.8c broke it would quickly fall to 4.2c to 4.3c (fib lines). I may reenter at those levels if it gets there.......