Michael Milman the Chairman is the biggest crook you've seen. He's a c*nt of a man too. I used to work for his brother at Milman International Australia and have had the chance to be around him. It doesn't mean that the stock is a dud I agree, but just so you know.
I don't know who the other guy you mentioned is but if he's a crook, it confirms the old thing that crooks find other crooks to be in business with.
VLL is a bigger operation and to me looks like a better bet. When fund managers decide to buy again, they will buy VLL not CLF. Both stocks are affected by the same external issues. I agree that the VLL chart looks sicker atm, although during the last 2 trading days, it looks like it likes $1.40 as a bottom for now anyway....