Originally posted by tonio
"Tonio, you have shown numerous times now the YOU are NOT serious about seeking truth and what you are doing here, are ignoring numerous Bible verse which dictate to how you MUST read and understand how you need to read the through word on the very limited verses showing a hint of Jesus's involvement in creation against the enormous ones showing the Almighty God and Father alone"
Strange words Wotsup,
The
truth is that according to the Greek ,when dia is used with the genitive there is no, that is
NO option to translate dia as
on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.
Here are other Greek words that could have been used but dia was the inspired word for good reason.
https://biblehub.com/str/greek/5484.htm
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5668.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/1360.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/1352.htm
Tonio, YOU were given quite a few verses showing Almighty God and Father ALONE created and even Jesus contributes the making of man to the Almighty God and Father, which you simply just brush aside.
This nonsense that someone said the other day or so on here, we have to take note of when Jesus is speaking, either in the divine nature, context or the human nature context = I never heard such rubbish.
Jesus is the true Church and what he says goes, to use this nonsense as someone suggested, OH my, it would be a nightmare trying to work out what to follow.
When God is referred to in your world, you lot say it is referring to god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit = God.
However when Jesus says I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God --> You try and say this is a different context for God = absolute rubbish and a confused creation of man which fails.
When the reality of it is, according to your god terms - Your saying Jesus is ascending to 2/3rds of a God.
You need to get serious and stop trying to create ways of dogging, however, you ATM will not even entertain that your doing this.
Now if you want to get serious, GO AND LOOK how
they have used --> on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of, throughout the Bible and
FROM THIS same word DIA, then maybe we will have something to talk about.
I mean seriously, do you think I just jump at an option, slim one at that, without seriously checking things out?
Would you want it on your shoulders, to mislead others, misrepresent God's word?
Come on then, the OT MUST interpret the NT, produce the clear cut OT Bible verses showing a pre-existing Jesus.
Don't waste my time coming back with the likes of LORD and Lord, means one in the same and when it says LORD in the OT it is referring to Jesus.
