Originally posted by tonio
Now if you want to get serious, GO AND LOOK how they have used --> on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of, throughout the Bible and FROM THIS same word DIA, then maybe we will have something to talk about.
HI Wotsup,
I have looked at the Greek and when Dia is used with the genitive it is never translated as
on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of,
Recently you rebuked the one who claims accurate knowledge for adding "other" words to scripture
but the one who believes he has the spirit of truth thinks that it is ok for him to add "other" words
Sounds like hypocrisy to me Mr Wotsup
You need to look future as I have seen it used in the various way, on account, of etc in passage where it should be used no different to the ones where is appears Jesus had involvement in creation.
Matt 19:4 -
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Gen 1:27 - So God (HE) created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Now YOU TRY and tell me that the He, Him and God here IS --> god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit, now come on, get serious.
Elohim = Plural meaning, The Almighty God and Father is --> god the father, god the son and god the holly spirit, so
you lot say.
Ex 7:1 - And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God (Elohim) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Do YOU Tonio, SEE the one Spirit of Truth speaking to you here?
How many Moses are there = ONE, just like;
Mark 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:
John 20:17 - I (Jesus) ascend to my FATHER and your Father and to MY GOD and your God.
Matt 22:44 - The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
1 Cor 15: - Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to the God, AND Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject untohim that put all things under him, that Godmay be all in all. =========== Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:
John 1:18 - God no one has seen ever yet; only begotten God, the being in the bosom of the Father, He has made him known. (while here and Jesus had not literally seen him, prior to going to him).
1 Tim 6:16 - Who (Jesus) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light (God -Bosom) which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1 John 1:5 - This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
James 1:17 - [COLOR=#001320][BCOLOR=transparent][SIZE=16px]Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the [/SIZE][B]Father of lights,[/B][SIZE=16px] with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.[/SIZE][/BCOLOR][/COLOR]
God's plans, progress of Jesus for him before the world was
1. Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal; (This could very well be, God's inner promise to himself).
2. Rev 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Foundation, in Greek has the meaning - conception).
3. Gone from a prophesy 2 Sam 7:12:14 - God will be a Father to him and Jesus will be a Son to Him and Mary was told the same thing.
4. Prophesy - Psa 2:7 - I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Luke 3:22 - And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
5. By John 3:16 - we see --> Only begotten Son.
6. Progression now to --> exalted to a begotten God in the Bosom of the Almighty God and Father.
Begotten meaning as per the Spirit of truth and Not mans concoctions;
Heb 1:5 - For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Again = naturally when Jesus died, there was not a Son, hence he had to be begotten again, just like he was FIRST begotten at or after conception = Jesus's literal beginning;
Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things.
Neh 9:6 - Thou, thou, LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Heb 11:3 -
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Heb 1:1-2 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
(Example --> The Spirit of the LORD (God) said unto me, the Word of the LORD (God) said unto me = Spirit/Word are interchanged BECAUSE they are one in the same, form the ONE Almighty God and Father who IS WORD).
2 - Hath in these last days (only after Baptism as Jesus shows) spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds;
John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself;-->(The Word = The Word of God) but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Luke 4:18 -
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the good news to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:for God giveth not the Spirit by measureunto him.
At Baptism, among several things, two Key events happened,
because Jesus got the Spirit/Word without measure;
John 12:46 - I am come
a light into the world.
John 5:26 - For as the Father has life in himself (John 1:4) so has he given to the Son to have life in himself.
