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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
regards
Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
Hmmm. That's my best conspiracy theory for now!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
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so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
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fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
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diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
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Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
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all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
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Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
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well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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Its largest acquisition ever should transform WiseTech Global into the global trade powerhouse its founder wants it to be.
-Past three years landed acquisition target E2open in struggle street
-E2open’s demise has become WiseTech Global’s opportunity
-Strategically and financially positive, the acquisition could be transformative
-WiseTech’s 55 acquisitions to date provide management with great track recordBy Danielle Ecuyer
Light at the end of the tunnel
The past twelve months have been quite the roller coaster ride for WiseTech Global ((WTC)) shareholders.
The smorgasbord of negative impacts includes media and corporate governance scrutiny of the Founder, Executive Chair, and Chief Innovation Officer’s personal life, as well as potential crossovers and conflicts of interest with the company he founded.
The stream of newspaper headlines has seen the share price fall from what were probably overbought levels around $140 in November last year to a sub-$80 low at the height of US tariff concerns in April.
Over the interim, Richard White’s position was transitioned to consultant and then reinstated to a more substantive position following several high-profile resignations.
The company is still wanting of a succession plan, but hey, who needs one of those given WiseTech has just announced the biggest and most ambitious acquisition in its history under the stewardship of White: the US$2.1bn takeover of Texas-based E2open.
WiseTech’s history a good starting point
By way of context, WiseTech has a history of bolt-on acquisitions, 55 over the past decade. Over that time frame, the company has achieved a market capitalisation of circa $35bn against an IPO valuation of $974m in April 2016. For those on board around the IPO and still holding on today, that trajectory translates into a return of 3,577.62%.
Over the years, many questions have been raised whether the acquisition strategy would succeed. Another stumble block stems from the higher valuation multiples ascribed to the stock, tripping up many a value investor.
The company’s flagship product is CargoWise, an end-to-end logistics execution software platform used by freight forwarders, customs brokers, third-party logistics providers (3PLs), and multinational shippers. It is designed to manage and automate complex logistics operations across international supply chains.
Looking under the hood, Morningstar believes the switching costs for customers of WiseTech’s main offering, CargoWise, are one of the most important factors for the company’s competitive advantage, with annual retention rates over 99% since 2013.
Through this period, the company has pushed through steep price rises.
Morningstar believes CargoWise assists customers in outperforming competitors, which in turn lowers the risk of business failure.
Prior to the takeover, Morningstar noted half of the world’s top 25 freight forwarders and a quarter of the largest 200 freight forwarders have signed up to use the software. Still, less than 10% of international freight forwarding volumes is estimated to go through the CargoWise platform.
Why E2Open?
According to Morningstar, CargoWise’s main competitor in international freight forwarding is not Canadian company Descartes or US Flexport, but rather E2open’s Blujay which has, the analyst’s words, “fallen apart”.
WiseTech has jumped on the opportunity of a decline in E2open’s share price of -70% over the last three years.
The bid at US$3.30 per share represents a 29% premium to the May 23 closing price, but is still -56.8% below the price a year ago.
According to WiseTech founder White: “Acquiring E2open is a strategically significant step in achieving our expanded vision to be the operating system for global trade and logistics”.
Expanding the market base
E2open is a supply chain SaaS (Software-as-a-Service) provider, founded in 2000, with operations across 20 countries and a cloud-based platform that connects over 500,000 partners including manufacturers, logistics providers, and distributors with 18 million transactions annually.
WiseTech’s ambition is to become an end-to-end supply chain solutions services provider beyond CargoWise’s logistics execution software.
E2open brings along a substantial uplift in the direct customer base and industry exposure to upstream shippers and manufacturers, referred to as beneficial cargo owners, ‘those companies which produce and sell goods, including 5,600 customers and over 250 top-rated companies across autos, retail, pharmaceuticals, consumer goods, aerospace, and more”.
It opens greater exposure to US and European markets, as well as bringing in relationships with major shipping lines and carriers.
Importantly, E2open moves WiseTech from serving the logistics industry to serving the entire supply chain, shifting from freight forwarding and warehousing to an end-to-end global trade platform.
Seems too good to be true?
Too good to be true? Certainly, that is what some analysts are thinking.
Jarden is notably circumspect while acknowledging the strategic fit and potential benefits of the takeover, including management’s expectations that global supply chain/logistics software spend will rise at a compound average growth rate of 16% from US$28bn in 2024 to US$57bn in 2029.
The analysts’ concerns centre on E2open’s flagging financial performance over the last couple of years, which resulted in the share price fall that became the precursor to the WiseTech bid.
UBS highlights E2open delivered a string of below-expectation earnings results, with management changes and a strategic review that contributed to the acquisition multiple at circa 3.5 times Enterprise Value to Sales against WiseTech’s historical takeover multiple of around 6.1 times.
Jarden queries the churn rate for E2open and the operating loss in 2024 of around -US$24m, which was caused by sizeable goodwill write-downs on acquisitions.
Morningstar points to integration problems with the many acquisitions, “especially between its products for freight forwarders, such as BluJay and the beneficial cargo owners. High debt created further pressure”.
At an enterprise value of US$2.1bn, the takeover does lift net gearing for WiseTech to 3.5 times.
On the flipside, if the integration, cost-stripping, and synergistic benefits are realised, E2open will be EPS-accretive in the first year of consolidation, and cash flows will allow WiseTech to deleverage to under 2 times within three years, with all of E2open’s debt facilities to be repaid upon completion of the acquisition, Morgans notes.
E2open is financially larger than all previous acquisitions over the last decade, with FY25 revenue of US$608m against Jarden’s revenue estimate for WiseTech of US$797m for FY25.
Bell Potter also highlights a level of risk to the integration of such a sizeable company but views the track record of success as going some way to ameliorating the risks.
What E2Open is flagged as contributing
WiseTech has been upfront about expectations that E2open will be EPS-accretive in year one, pre-synergies of -US$50m targeted to be achieved over two years.
UBS notes management has ambitions to reach an earnings (EBITDA) margin of 50%, although E2open’s FY25 EBITDA margin of around 35% could be slightly dilutive, initially.
The -US$50m in synergies represents around 11% of E2open’s operating expenses in FY25 and can be achieved via the elimination of US listing fees and other efficiencies, the broker explains.
Goldman Sachs forecasts the transaction to be EPS-accretive by 8% to 10% for FY27, assuming no revenue synergies and -US$60m in cost-outs against -US$50m guided, as well as WiseTech achieving a margin of over 50%. This analyst is positive the company can achieve its financial goals.
While investors were disappointed by the delay in the rollout of WiseTech’s Container Transport Optimisation (CTO) in the US last year, UBS points to E2open’s circa 18.5% market share of ocean booking management, which offers CTO broad container volume data to help customers make better decisions.
The analyst notes industry feedback via channel checks that combining CTO and E2open’s INTTRA product could result in a much-improved service offering for search/booking procedures for landside logistics.
CTO is part of CargoWise and aims to improve the efficiency of landside container logistics.
Bell Potter sees the launch of CTO in FY26 as another positive for the company, with management confirming the proposed takeover will not alter the timeline of CTO’s rollout in FY26.
Brokers are essentially upbeat
Morgan Stanley is very positive on the intended acquisition and thinks it makes both strategic and financial sense for WiseTech. Conviction in the company achieving medium to longer term growth prospects is increased. Morgan Stanley has a Buy-Equivalent rating with a $140 target price.
UBS is also very upbeat and remains confident in WiseTech’s ability to achieve the forecast compound average growth rate of 28% for core CargoWise revenue over a five-year period.
This analyst points to upside risks if management can increase product capability offerings from the acquisition. UBS is awaiting more details on E2Open before adjusting earnings forecasts. Buy rating and $145 target remain.
Other FNArena daily monitored brokers Morgans and Bell Potter are also positive with Buy-equivalent ratings and respective target prices of $132.40, upgraded from $124.10, and $122.50, lifted from $112.50.
The current consensus target price sits at $136.10.
Outside of daily monitoring, Goldman Sachs is equally buy rated with a $126 target, noting management re-iterated FY25 guidance.
E&P (the old Evans & Partners) rates the stock as Positive with a $139m target, highlighting the market has been given time to consider the strategic reason for the acquisition as well as the pricing. This analyst cautions as a rule of thumb the leverage at 3.5 times is high for a software company.
Jarden is Neutral rated with a $100 target and RBC Capital Buy-Equivalent rated with a $110 target.
Do as they may with forecasts, like the many acquisitions over the past decade, it will be incumbent on WiseTech management to prove it can assimilate, digest and improve profitability for E2open on what sounds at the very least like a potential game-changing development.
Research house Morningstar is also positive on WiseTech with a $130 per share valuation. This analyst is upbeat on the acquisition price and the strategic opportunity, as well as blocking competitors like Descartes from acquiring the company.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
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