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PATRICIA KARVELAS: Former Deputy Prime Minister, that you just mentioned, Barnaby Joyce, told David Speers yesterday he didn’t know most of Morrison’s secret portfolio arrangements, but he didn’t challenge the former Prime Minister over the decision around PEP 11 because he feared the Nationals would lose a ministry and the additional staff that comes with it that he’d manage to secure as he describes it. What did you make of that? Should this be part of an inquiry, too, the sort of horse-trading if you like on ministerial positions, staff, all of it? ED HUSIC: Well, high level – trying to follow that interview with Barnaby Joyce yesterday was like trying to plot the course of static. I just, there was so much in there. But I will make the point that on that last issue around portfolios, it reinforces my earlier point, that you should be doing your job based on what’s in the national interest or what you feel is the right thing to do rather than going, “Well, if I make that call, I’m going to lose my positions.” And this is again a reinforcement that either in government or in opposition, this is the mentality that runs through the Liberal and National Parties about the way that they get their job done, and I don’t think it’s right and I don’t think people expect it to be done that way. PATRICIA KARVELAS: Ed Husic, thank you for joining us.